Judging from his posts and comments here, I conclude that EY is less interested in dialectic than in laying out his arguments so that other people can learn from them and build on them. So I wouldn't expect critically-minded people to necessarily trigger such a dialectic.
That said, perhaps that's an artifact of discussion happening with a self-selected crowd of Internet denizens... that can exhaust anybody. So perhaps a different result would emerge if a different group of critically-minded people, people EY sees as peers, got involved. The Hanson/Yudkowsky debate about FOOMing had more of a dialectic structure, for example.
With respect to your example, the discussion here might be a starting place for that discussion, btw. The discussions here and here and here might also be salient.
Incidentally: the anticipated relationship between what humans want, what various subsets of humans want, and what various supersets including humans want, is one of the first questions I asked when I encountered the CEV notion.
I haven't gotten an explicit answer, but it does seem (based on other posts/discussions) that on EY's view a nonhuman intelligent species valuing something isn't something that should motivate our behavior at all, one way or another. We might prefer to satisfy that species' preferences, or we might not, but either way what should be motivating our behavior on EY's view is our preferences, not theirs. What matters on this view is what matters to humans; what doesn't matter to humans doesn't matter.
I'm not sure if I buy that, but satisfying "all the reasons for action that exist" does seem to be a step in the wrong direction.
TheOtherDave,
Thanks for the links! I don't know what "satisfying all the reasons for action that exist" is the solution, but I listed it as an example alternative to Eliezer's theory. Do you have a preferred solution?
Barring a major collapse of human civilization (due to nuclear war, asteroid impact, etc.), many experts expect the intelligence explosion Singularity to occur within 50-200 years.
That fact means that many philosophical problems, about which philosophers have argued for millennia, are suddenly very urgent.
Those concerned with the fate of the galaxy must say to the philosophers: "Too slow! Stop screwing around with transcendental ethics and qualitative epistemologies! Start thinking with the precision of an AI researcher and solve these problems!"
If a near-future AI will determine the fate of the galaxy, we need to figure out what values we ought to give it. Should it ensure animal welfare? Is growing the human population a good thing?
But those are questions of applied ethics. More fundamental are the questions about which normative ethics to give the AI: How would the AI decide if animal welfare or large human populations were good? What rulebook should it use to answer novel moral questions that arise in the future?
But even more fundamental are the questions of meta-ethics. What do moral terms mean? Do moral facts exist? What justifies one normative rulebook over the other?
The answers to these meta-ethical questions will determine the answers to the questions of normative ethics, which, if we are successful in planning the intelligence explosion, will determine the fate of the galaxy.
Eliezer Yudkowsky has put forward one meta-ethical theory, which informs his plan for Friendly AI: Coherent Extrapolated Volition. But what if that meta-ethical theory is wrong? The galaxy is at stake.
Princeton philosopher Richard Chappell worries about how Eliezer's meta-ethical theory depends on rigid designation, which in this context may amount to something like a semantic "trick." Previously and independently, an Oxford philosopher expressed the same worry to me in private.
Eliezer's theory also employs something like the method of reflective equilibrium, about which there are many grave concerns from Eliezer's fellow naturalists, including Richard Brandt, Richard Hare, Robert Cummins, Stephen Stich, and others.
My point is not to beat up on Eliezer's meta-ethical views. I don't even know if they're wrong. Eliezer is wickedly smart. He is highly trained in the skills of overcoming biases and properly proportioning beliefs to the evidence. He thinks with the precision of an AI researcher. In my opinion, that gives him large advantages over most philosophers. When Eliezer states and defends a particular view, I take that as significant Bayesian evidence for reforming my beliefs.
Rather, my point is that we need lots of smart people working on these meta-ethical questions. We need to solve these problems, and quickly. The universe will not wait for the pace of traditional philosophy to catch up.