Perplexed comments on Convergence Theories of Meta-Ethics - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Perplexed 08 February 2011 03:28:14PM *  2 points [-]

I suggest that you actually read the SEP entry on meta-ethics instead of just linking there - if you did read it, feel free to correct my guess.

Good guess. If I have read it, it wasn't within the last year. I will follow your advice and do so now.

Metaethics does not mean what you said it did (metaethics is a theory of what morality is, not a way of comparing moralities)

Poor choice of wording on my part. I meant to say that comparing moralities is one of the things that meta-ethics covers; that if you are engaged in comparing moralities, you are doing meta-ethics. Is this wrong?

moral realism does not mean what you said it did (your belief that morality is a real thing out there constitutes moral realism)

I didn't understand this bit. Is the thing in parenthesis meant to exemplefy what I said, or is it your correction of what I said? If the latter, then you may have misunderstood what I said. My fault, no doubt.

I also have to ask whether you read the Metaethics Sequence, but I mostly regard that sequence as having failed so I won't be surprised if the answer is yes.

Actually, I have read most of it, and I agree with your assessment. Where I understood it, I frequently disagreed.

I'm disappointed that my lack of scholarship in ethical philosophy was a barrier to your completing the reading of my posting. I will try to do better next time.

ETA: Until I have a chance to rewrite - I have placed the most muddled parts of my posting in a kind of 'posted quarantine' so that readers may skip over them, if they wish. And I want to thank Eliezer for his critique - I neglected to do so in my initial response.

Comment author: ata 09 February 2011 01:13:57AM *  1 point [-]

Poor choice of wording on my part. I meant to say that comparing moralities is one of the things that meta-ethics covers; that if you are engaged in comparing moralities, you are doing meta-ethics. Is this wrong?

I think it is. Comparing moralities is part of morality. Comparing meta-ethical claims such as moral realism, emotivism, error theory, relativism, etc. is meta-ethics, of course, but if you're comparing object-level moral systems, like any of the various flavours of "utilitarianism" or any religion's moral teachings or anything else, then you're doing morality, not meta-ethics. True, you are asking "should" questions about how to answer "should" questions, which is rather meta, but that's not the kind of meta that "meta-ethics" usually refers to.

(That's not to say that meta-ethics is irrelevant to comparing moral systems — if you have a coherent meta-ethics, then it'll probably inform your comparisons — but it's not essential to the process.)

Comment author: Perplexed 09 February 2011 04:55:56AM 0 points [-]

Poor choice of wording on my part. I meant to say that comparing moralities is one of the things that meta-ethics covers; that if you are engaged in comparing moralities, you are doing meta-ethics. Is this wrong?

I think it is. Comparing moralities is part of morality. ...

Hmmm. I think you are right. At the risk of appearing really ridiculous, I now have to admit that I used poor wording in my confession above that I had used poor wording. What I really should have said is that if you are discussing the criteria that AIs might use in comparing moralities, as I did in the OP, then you are doing meta-ethics.

Is this wrong too?