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I know what you mean!
In the case of DeAngelo I have to disagree. He is basically just a 'intellectual' himself and his best work is targeted to similar audience as himself. It is well suited to non-bitch-party-girl girls and for most part is just stuff that is overwhelmingly obvious if you have lived in the world for a while or have read psychology books. Especially the parts where he literally just stands there and reads said psychology books.
As for Mystery and co, however, you have the caricature down pat. He even says pretty much the same thing himself. His method is aimed at 'particularly beautiful women', where his appreciation of beauty explicitly includes being 'dolled up' in such a way that most women of the class that you mention would be excluded.
Perhaps I'm not familiar with the aspects of his teaching that you, but typical David DeAngelo Cocky&Funny is optimized for party girls. But it's not too difficult to adapt it to intelligent/intellectual women once you understand the principles. Think Oscar Wilde, for instance.
I do see a bunch of overlap between the target audience of Mystery, and David DeAngelo. Pickup 101 has some overlap with both, but its direct daygame has significant differences. Juggler Method is quite different from any of these methods, and I consider it the premiere method for seduction between intelligent people. Also, Mystery Method is optimized for night game, while Juggler method is optimized for the day.
And likewise I may well be less familiar with the aspects which you consider typical. His earliest work, the ebook and the first audio program I have barely looked at for example and I believe he has matured an awful lot since then. The products of his that I have recommended people look at for personal development purposes include:
Most of David DeAngelo's work doesn't even fit the label PUA particularly well. We just don't have a suitable label for "life skills training for men with an emphasis on social skills and dating". Mind you "Meeting Women In Bars" probably fits that label rather a lot better than, say "Meeting Women Online". Surprisingly enough I have never bothered reading the former. There is an entirely natural selection effect in place. :)
To be honest I have yet to meet a girl I was interested in with whom Cocky & Funny didn't work. Largely because it is the state I naturally enter when I am feeling confident, relaxed and social. I personally find people who do not appreciate cocky humour extremely grating and unpleasant to be around for long periods. The personality traits involved also carry over into other areas of personal relations so in this case the effect is also screening.
My dating habits (if not flirting habits)definitely don't include an audience of party girls but here your next point becomes relevant:
I have only glanced at Juggler's stuff. On your recommendation I'll take another look. Your past recommendations have been good. I'm not particularly working to optimise the dating part of my life right now but I am always curious to learn. :)
Not to mention optimised for being a stage performer by training. :)