HughRistik comments on post proposal: Attraction and Seduction for Heterosexual Male Rationalists - Less Wrong

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Comment author: HughRistik 08 February 2011 02:29:05AM 3 points [-]

Perhaps I'm not familiar with the aspects of his teaching that you, but typical David DeAngelo Cocky&Funny is optimized for party girls. But it's not too difficult to adapt it to intelligent/intellectual women once you understand the principles. Think Oscar Wilde, for instance.

I do see a bunch of overlap between the target audience of Mystery, and David DeAngelo. Pickup 101 has some overlap with both, but its direct daygame has significant differences. Juggler Method is quite different from any of these methods, and I consider it the premiere method for seduction between intelligent people. Also, Mystery Method is optimized for night game, while Juggler method is optimized for the day.

Comment author: wedrifid 08 February 2011 04:42:24AM 1 point [-]

Perhaps I'm not familiar with the aspects of his teaching that you

And likewise I may well be less familiar with the aspects which you consider typical. His earliest work, the ebook and the first audio program I have barely looked at for example and I believe he has matured an awful lot since then. The products of his that I have recommended people look at for personal development purposes include:

  • On Being A Man (That Naturally Attracts Women)
  • Mastery With Women and Dating
  • Deep Inner Game
  • Body Language

Most of David DeAngelo's work doesn't even fit the label PUA particularly well. We just don't have a suitable label for "life skills training for men with an emphasis on social skills and dating". Mind you "Meeting Women In Bars" probably fits that label rather a lot better than, say "Meeting Women Online". Surprisingly enough I have never bothered reading the former. There is an entirely natural selection effect in place. :)

but typical David DeAngelo Cocky&Funny is optimized for party girls.

To be honest I have yet to meet a girl I was interested in with whom Cocky & Funny didn't work. Largely because it is the state I naturally enter when I am feeling confident, relaxed and social. I personally find people who do not appreciate cocky humour extremely grating and unpleasant to be around for long periods. The personality traits involved also carry over into other areas of personal relations so in this case the effect is also screening.

My dating habits (if not flirting habits)definitely don't include an audience of party girls but here your next point becomes relevant:

But it's not too difficult to adapt it to intelligent/intellectual women once you understand the principles. Think Oscar Wilde, for instance.

Juggler Method is quite different from any of these methods, and I consider it the premiere method for seduction between intelligent people.

I have only glanced at Juggler's stuff. On your recommendation I'll take another look. Your past recommendations have been good. I'm not particularly working to optimise the dating part of my life right now but I am always curious to learn. :)

Also, Mystery Method is optimized for night game

Not to mention optimised for being a stage performer by training. :)