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Conversation Strategies for Spreading Rationality Without Annoying People
(without resorting to dark arts)
It occurs to me that resorting to manipulative methods to teach someone methods which will improve their ability to detect said manipulations has problems entirely separate from moral concerns.
Once you've climbed the ladder, you can discard it.
Will the person being manipulated discard it?
If you set it up properly, yes. The moral concerns remain- I'm just saying that one could teach resistance to manipulation in a (at first undetected) manipulative fashion, so that the eventual discovery reinforces rather than undermines the lesson.
If it helps, imagine QQ doing this.
...who?
Presumably Orthonormal is referring to "Quirinus Quirrell," the fictional character from Eliezer Yudkowsky's work of Harry Potter fanfiction, Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality. Best wishes, the Less Wrong Reference Desk.
Indeed.