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Comment author: ChristianKl 14 July 2013 09:21:10AM 2 points [-]

more than 50% of people in my demographic are even worse than me at that skill, but this doesn't mean they'll never get a relationship, because they can compensate by e.g. being insanely rich.

I'm not arguing that feeling no anxiety to physical contact and having the self confidence to lead woman in general is sufficient to be good at partner dancing.

I'm rather arguing that being good at partner dancing usually leads to feeling no anxiety to physical contact and having the self confidence to lead woman.

I mean, if Alice doesn't get horny when around Bob because he comes across as tense, I wouldn't expect her to lose interest after a couple dates or so: I would expect her to never ask him out in the first place.

In PUA literature there the idea that making a girl horny while at a club, asking her for her phone number and then calling a day later to make a date is not the way to go. Having the girl in a state of being attracted, comfortable and connected is supposed to be more conductive to getting a date than the girl feeling horny.

I think the problem is that you model being attracted and being horny as the same thing when the two are different categories for myself. You don't have a mental model in this domain with a lot of categories and therefore it's hard to follow the points I'm making. (Just for the record, I don't think having a mental model with a lot of categories is necessary to have success with woman)

Also, you appeared to suspect that I might have Asperger's (something which FWIW none of my meatspace friends, who include several psychology graduates and a neurology resident, appears to have noticed lately) based on my reluctance to wear a “free-hugs” sign.

I don't think you have full Aspergers. I think you are 'in your head', but that's not a label that I would expect to be well understood on LessWrong. When on LessWrong I rather try to use categories that are popular on LessWrong.

You are probably the kind of person who thinks that they have a body instead of who thinks that they are their body. You probably think that you are your brain and the rest is just there to serve your brain.

On the other hand I do think that your reluctance to wear a free-hug sign is purely based on a irrational fear of physical contact. Wearing the sign is the rational thing to do.

FYI diagnosing people with mental disorders based on so little information is likely to make actual mental health specialists take you very unseriously

I choose the kind of language I use depending on my audience. I would use different lanague when discussing with a mental health specialist. A mental health specialist probably also wouldn't take you seriously when you talk about giving money to Pascal's mugger.

Comment author: Swimmer963 14 July 2013 07:03:38PM *  0 points [-]

Came across this discussion accidentally, but it fascinates me because I'm "in my head", have some Asperger's-like characteristics, have a lot of anxiety around physical contact, particularly dislike dancing and have in fact made my date leave a dancing event early because I couldn't make myself do it any longer, etc...but I'm a girl. And I can get dates pretty easily. (They usually aren't very fun for me, though).

This discussion made me realize that if I were male, but otherwise unchanged, I might not be able to get dates easily. This confuses me. I'm curious as to what you think the difference is in the male-female dynamic.

Comment author: [deleted] 28 July 2013 10:52:11PM 1 point [-]

Came across this discussion accidentally,

And that's why I think “repository” threads belong in Main. That would have been much less likely to happen if this thread had been in Discussion.

Comment author: [deleted] 14 July 2013 10:58:01PM 0 points [-]

I'm "in my head"

Have you tried small amounts of alcohol, and/or mindfulness meditation?

Comment author: [deleted] 14 July 2013 09:15:59PM *  0 points [-]

This discussion made me realize that if I were male, but otherwise unchanged, I might not be able to get dates easily.

What do you mean “otherwise unchanged”, same level of attractiveness broadly construed (to the extent that this makes sense), or same percentile of attractiveness broadly construed within your gender and age group?

Comment author: CronoDAS 14 July 2013 10:52:52PM 2 points [-]

Yeah, being the other biological sex is complicated, but a roughly equivalent statement might be "If she could (convincingly) present herself as male and attempted to get dates with women, she expect to find it much harder than she does getting dates with men while presenting as female."

Comment author: Swimmer963 14 July 2013 09:53:51PM 0 points [-]

Same percentile, I guess?

Comment author: [deleted] 14 July 2013 10:44:05PM 1 point [-]

ISTM that the n-th percentile man is less attractive to women than the n-th percentile woman is to men (at least for n not very close to 100), and as a result has less ‘bargaining power’, if you will.

Comment author: ChristianKl 14 July 2013 08:12:36PM 0 points [-]

And I can get dates pretty easily.

I think "getting dates" isn't the goal for most people. The question is whether you get into relationships with guys that fulfill your criteria of being good mates.

(They usually aren't very fun for me, though).

I would guess that they would be more fun for you if you overcome your anxieties around physical contact.

I think that you do can overcome some of it by taking dancing classes.

I'm curious as to what you think the difference is in the male-female dynamic.

If you are a pretty girl than many man are willing to chase you and wait some time till you are ready. At the same time a guy that's empathic is less likely to ask you for another date if you don't enjoy the first date.

Comment author: Swimmer963 14 July 2013 09:01:40PM 1 point [-]

I think "getting dates" isn't the goal for most people. The question is whether you get into relationships with guys that fulfill your criteria of being good mates.

You're right, this is a different problem. Which is still unsolved for me.

If you are a pretty girl than many man are willing to chase you and wait some time till you are ready.

I have had a guy go to fairly epic lengths to do this. We had what I think most people would call an awesome relationship afterwards, and lived together for some time...but a year and a half later, when we broke up, I basically wasn't upset at all and actually got a happiness boost from having my own space and better sleep again. If I was upset, it was because "what, I put all those months of effort in, and I don't even get a partner to have kids with?"

So yeah, unsolved.

Comment author: ChristianKl 14 July 2013 10:10:19PM *  0 points [-]

I think you would probably profit from going to a Salsa course. While doing it keep in mind that you want to enjoy physical contact but don't get so close that it makes you uncomfortable.

At the beginning it would probably be good to just ask a male friend that you know and with whom you are comfortable to take a Salsa class with you.