Vladimir_Nesov comments on Subjective anticipation as a decision process - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 09 February 2011 01:19:14AM *  1 point [-]

The disparity between the level of detail in reality/prior, and imprecision and mutability of psychological anticipation was an open problem for my attack at the problem which I made in autumn (and discussed previously here).

This problem is solved by identifying prior (notion of reality) not with explicit data given by psychological anticipation, but with normative anticipation. That is, reality is explained as that which we should expect, where the shouldness of expectation is not a line from Litany of Tarski, suggesting how one ought to keep an accurate map of reality, but literally explanation of what reality is.

The multi-level conceptual models that humans build are models of uncertainty, expressing logical uncertainty about the conclusions that should be drawn from past observations. There is only one level of reality in the same sense there is only one mathematical structure behind the many axiomatic definitions that specify it. Reality is, in a sense, what a Bayesian superintelligence would conclude given the knowledge and observations that humans have. But as with morality, we don't have that definition explicitly anywhere, and can only learn more and more detail, and as with morality, the notion is normative, so you can't solve any problems by changing the question ("where should I tweak my mind if I want to win the lottery").

A big question remaining is how do we learn from observations, in what sense do the observations confer knowledge, what is the difference between such knowledge and other kinds of knowledge. This requires facing some problems that UDT avoided by refusing to treat observations as knowledge.

Comment author: cousin_it 09 February 2011 11:43:46AM 1 point [-]

This problem is solved by identifying prior (notion of reality) not with explicit data given by psychological anticipation, but with normative anticipation. That is, reality is explained as that which we should expect, where the shouldness of expectation is not a line from Litany of Tarski, suggesting how one ought to keep an accurate map of reality, but literally explanation of what reality is.

I don't understand how this is different from believing in reality-fluid. If it's the same thing, I cannot accept that. If it's different, could you explain how?

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 09 February 2011 12:10:16PM *  0 points [-]

This is an explanation of reality in terms of decision-theoretic heuristics we carry in our heads, as a notion similar to morality and platonic truth. This is of course a mere conceptual step, it doesn't hand you much explanatory power, but I hope it can make reality a bit less mysterious. Like saying that Boeing 747 is made out of atoms, but not pointing out any specific details about its systems.

I don't understand what exactly you refer to by reality-fluid, in what sense you see an analogy, and what problem that points out. The errors and confusions of evaluating one's anticipation in practice have little bearing on how anticipation should be evaluated.