paulfchristiano comments on Other people's procedural knowledge gaps - Less Wrong

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Comment author: paulfchristiano 11 February 2011 06:15:19PM 2 points [-]

I agree that grammar presents a minor group rationality problem. I disagree about what the problem is.

The distinction between its and it's does nothing to improve writing, either in terms of clarity or in terms of expressiveness. Reserving "their" for the plural possessive complicates writing and adds nothing. A broad class of grammatical rules fall into one of these classes. Wasting education time on these rules (I would estimate that I've spent at least 10 hours on clearly useless grammar in school) and using them as a status indicator seems like destructive behavior that should be corrected.

People who make the error may have simply spent less time in their lives thinking about the distinction, which as far as I can is probably better for everybody. If you don't understand how the error can even happen, as opposed to why people don't learn to correct it, then I think the issue is the variety of human brains (or else a failure of introspection). Personally, I get information from my thoughts to my hands by reciting; the natural failure mode is to switch between homophones freely. The difference between its and it's is an even easier substitution than most (although I believe I generally write the correct one).

Comment author: TheOtherDave 11 February 2011 07:13:14PM 1 point [-]

Sure.

Similar things are potentially true of all aspects of grammar/spelling/word choice that aren't strictly necessary in order to convey the meaning of a phrase... for example, you'll generally no what I mean from context even if I confuse "no" and "know."

For my own part, I have a fondness for using different signals to invoke different referents (and for not using different signals to invoke the same referent), but I acknowledge that other people's mileage varies, and that we could accept a lot of linguistic/orthographic abberations without significantly reducing comprehensibility.

Comment author: paulfchristiano 11 February 2011 10:01:48PM 0 points [-]

The phrases "generally no" and "generally know" both appear frequently in English. "it's a" is orders of magnitude more common than "its a." Replacing "know" with "no" doesn't significantly reduce comprehensibility--but it does make the phrase take longer to parse. Replacing "it's" with "its" doesn't reduce comprehensibility at all, nor does it make the phrase any harder to read.

Comment author: Nornagest 11 February 2011 10:17:30PM 2 points [-]

There are a few situations where making a distinction can eliminate a syntactic ambiguity, as in "its fun"/"it's fun". There are also a few more where it eliminates a non-ambiguous but awkward construction, as in "it's its own server". And of course it'd introduce another kind of irregularity unless you got rid of the contraction apostrophe altogether, which might lead to some other strangeness that I haven't thought of yet.