Liron comments on The Power of Positivist Thinking - Less Wrong

68 Post author: Yvain 21 March 2009 08:55PM

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Comment deleted 22 March 2009 04:56:36AM [-]
Comment author: orthonormal 22 March 2009 04:50:37PM *  0 points [-]

1 and 2: Taboo the word "right". You haven't come anywhere close to the territory.

Eliezer can use "right" casually in this discussion, thanks to his 10,000-word reduction of it on OB; I may or may not agree with his reduction, but at least I know what sort of evidence would verify or falsify a claim he makes about "right" and "wrong".

The rest of us should probably be more cautious with those words when verifiability is in the air.

Comment author: Liron 22 March 2009 08:01:03PM 4 points [-]

Yes we know "right"'s relationship to the territory has to do with the complexites of the brain. But the entire "right" module can still be part of a reduction.

Tabooing is useful for:

  1. Making sure your reduction attempt isn't circular

  2. Figuring out what a speaker actually means when they use a word whose referent is ambiguous (like "make a sound") or just points to their own confusion (like Searle's "semantics")

No need for it ere.

Comment author: orthonormal 26 March 2009 10:58:10PM 2 points [-]

In that case, I don't disagree on substance. But as a matter of clarity,

"It is only right to craft the law such that one's actions screen off the parameters of one's birth."

seems too casual for good communication; it's what a person would say who takes "right" and "wrong" to be simple ontologically basic properties of the universe.

On the other hand, the less misleading locutions I can think of would be pretty unwieldy in everyday conversation. I wonder if there's better language we can use or invent to talk about morality from this perspective...