CarlShulman comments on Don't Revere The Bearer Of Good Info - Less Wrong

82 Post author: CarlShulman 21 March 2009 11:22PM

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 22 March 2009 12:37:36AM 2 points [-]

In this case, I'd actually say email me first with a quickie description.

Comment author: CarlShulman 22 March 2009 12:46:11AM 7 points [-]

Roko exaggerates. It's only 377 pages and written in an accessible style.

It summarizes the ethical literature on moral realism, and takes the irrealist view that XML tags on actions don't exist, and that even if they did exist we wouldn't care about them. It then goes into the psychology literature (Greene does experimental philosophy, e.g. finding that people misinterpret utility as having diminishing marginal utility in contravention to experimental instructions), e.g. Haidt's work on social intuitionism, to explain why it is that we think there are these moral properties 'out there' when there aren't any. Lastly, he argues that we can get on with pursuing our concerns (reasoning about conflicts between our concerns, implications, instrumental questions, etc), but suggests that awareness of the absence of XML tags can help us to better understand and deal with those with differing moral views.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 22 March 2009 01:46:49AM 3 points [-]

people misinterpret utility as having diminishing marginal utility in contravention to experimental instructions

This explains a LOT.

Comment author: CarlShulman 22 March 2009 04:13:48AM 5 points [-]
Comment author: PhilGoetz 22 March 2009 01:17:47AM 0 points [-]

XML tags on actions don't exist, and that even if they did exist we wouldn't care about them.

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Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 22 March 2009 01:26:52AM *  6 points [-]

There is no objective truth about which actions are the right ones, no valuation inherent in the actions themselves. And even if there was, even if you could build a right-a-meter and check which actions are good, you won't care about what it says, since it's still you that draws the judgment.