JoshuaZ comments on Some Heuristics for Evaluating the Soundness of the Academic Mainstream in Unfamiliar Fields - Less Wrong

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Comment author: JoshuaZ 17 February 2011 11:20:31PM *  1 point [-]

Ok. If you prefer, Andrew is even more blunt about his meaning here

where he says:

The concept of an elementary proof is well-known in mathematics and was widely taught to top mathematics students at least until 25 years ago. Yet Wikipedia refused for months to have an entry about it, and only relented when I pointed out here that MathWorld does have an entry.

Why such resistance? Because many of the recent claims of proofs, such as Wiles' proof of Fermat's Last Theorem, are not elementary proofs and liberals don't want to admit that. Liberals prefer instead to claim that mathematicians today are smarter than the devoutly Christian mathematicians like Bernhard Riemann and Carl Gauss. Not so, and this omission of this entry on Wikipedia was due to liberal bias. Explained another way, liberals detest accountability, in this case the accountability of the rigorous criteria for an elementary proof. Godspeed

(End quote from Andrew).

That example seems to be pretty explicit. I agree that in general what happens on a talk page is not the same thing as what happens in the encyclopedia proper but Andrew includes this claim as one of his examples of bias in Wikipedia which is in their main space (although that doesn't explicitly call it an example of "liberal" bias).

Comment author: [deleted] 18 February 2011 12:31:12AM 0 points [-]

Okay, that's close to what you were saying, though this seems to be a speculative hypothesis he came up with to explain the striking fact that Wikipedia did not include the entry. The important topic is the omission from Wikipedia. The explanation - that's his attempt to understand why it happened. Many people are apt to come up with obviously highly speculative speculations when trying to explain surprising events. I don't think all that much should be made of such things. In any case, I'm not convinced that he's wrong. (I'm not convinced that he's right either.)

Comment author: JoshuaZ 18 February 2011 12:44:49AM *  0 points [-]

It isn't that surprising that we'd have that sort of thing missing. A lot of the articles I've written for Wikipedia are ones I only wrote because I was trying to look them up and was surprised that we didn't have them. People don't appreciate how many gaps Wikipedia still has. For example, until I wrote it, there was no Wikipedia article for Samuel Molyneux, who was a major historical astronomer.

In any case, I'm not convinced that he's wrong. (I'm not convinced that he's right either.)

Beware false compromise. The truth does not always lie in the middle. (Incidentally, are you a Bayesian? If so, around what probability do you define as being "convinced"?)