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Comment author: Clippy 24 February 2011 10:54:38PM *  2 points [-]

One should keep in mind that by not pooling you aren't actually losing output, you just have a bigger variance in outcome. If you intend to keep mining for at least a year or so, having a week or two with no return won't be a big deal. If you do not intend to keep mining for that long, it's hardly going to be worth the effort of setting up a pool.

Thank you for clarifying that. I initially assumed that humans formed pools because that increased the rate of return per unit of computation invested, but did not see how that could be. Your explanation of the decrease in variance resolves my confusion.

On a separate note, a macroeconomic scenario where people accumulate wealth on a large scale by running powerful computers performing useless hash checks (while they could be helping with Folding@home or something) is a little disturbing. At least precious metals and gems are nice to look at, and have several industrial uses.

Every person who joins Bitcoin increases the network size, which in turn increases the probability that it will cross the threshold beyond which it will be popular enough to replace other currencies in common transactions. That is an additional, external benefit of spending computation on Bitcoin, and it helps beings like me, who have significant difficulty in interfacing with the financial system but not with electronics.

It would also help those who desire more anonymity in exchanging money.

Comment author: gwern 25 February 2011 02:11:27AM 3 points [-]

I initially assumed that humans formed pools because that increased the rate of return per unit of computation invested, but did not see how that could be.

If anything, it's the opposite. A number of pools actually reduce your payoff since they take a cut in exchange for providing the pool service. (The worst, Compute4Cash, takes ~50%!)

Comment author: Clippy 25 February 2011 04:10:34AM 0 points [-]

Okay, I just got set up with Bitcoin. Send coins to my address at:

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Comment author: Kevin 26 February 2011 09:22:37PM 1 point [-]

.05 bitcoins sent! Keep some extra paperclips safe for me.

Comment author: Clippy 27 February 2011 12:06:41AM *  3 points [-]

Thanks! It shows up on my client! (I was wondering who that was from...) I will keep some extra paperclips safe!!!

Plus, I got the GPU thing to work, and it's reporting ~29 Mhash/sec. (So not good compared to the latest GPUs, but I'm doing the best I can with what I have.)

EDIT: And you probably already inferred this, but you are a good human.

Comment author: gwern 25 February 2011 04:53:37AM 1 point [-]

Why would I do that? What's in it for me?

Comment author: lsparrish 25 February 2011 06:14:37AM 4 points [-]

Please send some my way as well. And please also think of a reason to do so. Thanks in advance. 1DXZUdV5UCeaz6TUQ8oWG8d6xJheKRHsuv

Comment author: gwern 25 February 2011 07:09:10AM 4 points [-]

I'll think of 1 reason in exchange for 1 bitcoin. 1CzPhJzXSnXGq2UJReD4UixD35vS2FbiKW

Comment author: lsparrish 25 February 2011 02:50:26PM 1 point [-]

Tempting! I'll give you some karma while I think it over. 1DXZUdV5UCeaz6TUQ8oWG8d6xJheKRHsuv

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Comment author: gwern 26 February 2011 06:05:04PM 0 points [-]

Drat! I was thinking about getting into the karma selling business, not buying.

Comment author: Clippy 25 February 2011 06:39:48AM 0 points [-]

You gain social status.