AnnaSalamon comments on Cached Selves - Less Wrong

172 Post author: AnnaSalamon 22 March 2009 07:34PM

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Comment author: Liron 22 March 2009 08:30:29PM 1 point [-]

This is a really good post. I particularly like the suggestion that we don't have to infer and cache conclusions about ourselves when we screw up and don't return a library book. (Of course, other people would be rational to cache a conclusion about us because thinking differently wouldn't be a self-fulfilling prophecy.)

Comment author: AnnaSalamon 22 March 2009 08:45:15PM *  3 points [-]

Thanks. Steve re-invented the library books technique by thinking about refactoring code and categories... but examples like the library books example are also standard in Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. And CBT has other good techniques for becoming aware of your own thinking and for changing your thinking habits in useful ways. I really think we should be rifling through their thoughts for rationality training gimmicks.

Unfortunately, I don't know any good CBT resources to link my "I really think we should look at these people" claims to, and I especially know none online (I read a decent book on how to teach CBT in a bookstore but lost the name, and I read a decent summary at the end of a book on something else, in Martin Seligman's book "Absolute Happiness"). Does anyone else know what reading we might want to consult?

Comment author: Johnicholas 23 March 2009 05:32:17PM 4 points [-]

I found "Feeling Good" by David Burns to be helpful.

Comment author: Emile 23 March 2009 05:30:01PM 1 point [-]

I remember looking in a bookstore for good introductions on Cognitive Behavioral Therapy, and didn't find any; I ended up buying a report of a few case studies (that doesn't go too much in theory), but haven't read it yet. It's a useful reference to have, I just wish it was as accessible as say learning how to program (a topic for which you can find zillions of tutorials on the net).

Comment author: fortyeridania 21 July 2010 03:44:24PM 0 points [-]

I'm just getting into learning about CBT and its relatives. I'm in the middle of Cognitive Therapy: Basics and Beyond. Benefits: It seems pretty comprehensive and detailed, with plenty of "dialogs" between patient and therapist to illustrate the communication of various CBT concepts and techniques. Drawbacks: Because it's geared toward therapists, not patients, some of the information seems irrelevant for self-therapy, e.g. how to structure a session.

Part of the point of CBT is to prepare people to be their own therapists. It would be nice if anyone out there knew about literature specifically about self-therapy.

Comment author: Gabriel 21 July 2010 04:29:08PM 3 points [-]

The classic self-help book about cognitive therapy is "Feeling Good: The New Mood Therapy" by David Burns. I've read it and consider its popularity well-deserved. It's focused on fighting depression but I think it should be useful even if you have a different purpose in mind.

Comment author: Emile 21 July 2010 03:52:49PM 0 points [-]

Heh, what you describe looks exactly like the book I have (though it's in French, so it's not the same book).