David_Gerard comments on Eliezer Yudkowsky Facts - Less Wrong

124 Post author: steven0461 22 March 2009 08:17PM

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 24 November 2010 02:19:49AM 55 points [-]

Note for the clueless (i.e. RationalWiki): This is photoshopped. It is not an actual slide from any talk I have given.

Comment author: David_Gerard 24 November 2010 02:43:53PM *  5 points [-]

I must ask: where did you see someone actually taking it seriously? As opposed to thinking that the EY Facts thing was a bad idea even as local humour. (There was one poster on Talk:Eliezer Yudkowsky who was appalled that you would let the EY Facts post onto your site; I must confess his thinking was not quite clear to me - I can't see how not just letting the post find its level in the karma system, as happened, would be in any way a good idea - but I did proceed to write a similar list about Trent Toulouse.)

Edit: Ah, found it. That was the same Tetronian who posts here, and has gone to some effort to lure RWians here. I presume he meant the original of the picture, not the joke version. I'm sure he'll be along in a moment to explain himself.

Comment author: ata 24 November 2010 05:11:54PM 6 points [-]

I presume he meant the original of the picture, not the joke version.

"having watched the speech that the second picture is from, I can attest that he meant it as a joke" does sound like he's misremembering the speech as having actually included that.

Comment author: [deleted] 25 July 2011 12:21:15AM *  2 points [-]

I'm a bit late to the party, I see. It was an honest mistake; no harm done, I hope.

Edit: on the plus side, I noticed I've been called "clueless" by Eliezer. Pretty amusing.

Edit2: Yes, David is correct.

Comment author: wedrifid 25 July 2011 02:02:03AM 3 points [-]

Edit: on the plus side, I noticed I've been called "clueless" by Eliezer. Pretty amusing.

RationalWiki is you? Nice. I like the lesswrong page there. Brilliant!

Comment author: [deleted] 25 July 2011 02:53:35AM *  5 points [-]

I started the article way back in May of 2010, at which point I viewed LW as weird and unsettling rather than awesome. As you can see, though, David_Gerard and others have made the article significantly better since then.

Comment author: Vaniver 24 November 2010 08:26:50PM 3 points [-]

I must confess his thinking was not quite clear to me - I can't see how not just letting the post find its level in the karma system, as happened, would be in any way a good idea

My reaction was pointed in the same direction as that poster's, though not as extreme. It seems indecent to have something like this associated with you directly. It lends credence to insinuations of personality cult and oversized ego. I mean, compare it to Chuck Norris's response ("in response to").

If someone posted something like this about me on a site of mine and I became aware of it, I would say "very funny, but it's going down in a day. Save any you think are clever and take it to another site."

Comment author: David_Gerard 24 November 2010 09:29:57PM *  7 points [-]

I'm actually quite surprised there isn't a Wikimedia Meta-Wiki page of Jimmy Wales Facts. Perhaps the current fundraiser (where we squeeze his celebrity status for every penny we can - that's his volunteer job now, public relations) will inspire some.

Edit: I couldn't resist.

Comment author: steven0461 24 November 2010 11:10:02PM 2 points [-]

Would it help if I added a disclaimer to the effect that "this was an attempt at mindless nerd amusement, not worship or mockery"? If there's a general sense that people are taking the post the wrong way and it's hurting reputations, I'm happy to take it down entirely.

Comment author: David_Gerard 24 November 2010 11:16:42PM 7 points [-]

I really wouldn't bother. Anyone who doesn't like these things won't be mollified.

Comment author: Manfred 24 November 2010 11:41:23PM 0 points [-]

As someone who is pretty iconoclastic by habit, that disclaimer would be a good way to mollify me. But there are probably lots of different ways to have a bad first impression of Facts, so I can't guarantee that it will mollify other people.

Comment author: Vaniver 25 November 2010 09:17:29AM 0 points [-]

My feeling is comparable to David_Gerard's- I think it would help if it said "this is a joke" but I don't think it would help enough to make a difference. It signals that you're aware some people will wonder about whether or not you're joking but the fundamental issue is whether or not Eliezer / the LW community thinks it's indecent and that comes out the same way with or without the disclaimer.

I have a rather mild preference you move it offsite. I don't know what standards you should have for a general sense people are taking it the wrong way.

Comment author: multifoliaterose 24 November 2010 08:41:28PM 0 points [-]

I have a similar reaction.