JoshuaZ comments on Singularity Institute now accepts donations via Bitcoin - Less Wrong

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Comment author: JoshuaZ 01 March 2011 08:40:29PM 4 points [-]

Why bother, when they can just use existing laws? Classify bitcoin users as banks, then fine them for violating existing transaction-reporting laws.

IANAL but I think that a court might not look kindly on an argument that turns every person who is using something into a bank. The decentralized nature undermines that argument.

As to reporting, there's no reason in principle that bitcoin users can't report the money they owe for taxes and the like. More of a problem if you pay an anonymous individual for some service, but that's less of an issue if you aren't hiring them for an extended period of time.

But it's only a matter of time until the media begin the blitz to portray Bitcoin as a tool of terrorists, druggies, black-hat hackers, gunrunners, money launderers, and whoever else will scare their viewers via guilt-by-association. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention pornographers, and by extension, human traffickers and child molesters. That'll be enough to get political support for a crackdown, I imagine.

Unfortunately, if bitcoin ever becomes very popular, then it will be reasonable for the people who really don't want a government eye on them to use it. Undermining authority works both ways: it might be nice for us but it can benefit those one doesn't like also. At present, terrorists/guerrillas/freedom fighters/militants use complicated and cumbersome procedure to moving money around. Bitcoin could offer them a strong leg up. The most dangerous type of media-driven moral panics are the ones that have some element of truth.

Comment author: wedrifid 03 March 2011 01:19:32AM *  0 points [-]

At present, terrorists/guerrillas/freedom fighters/militants use complicated and cumbersome procedure to moving money around. Bitcoin could offer them a strong leg up.

For example, they could be using one of a dozen or so other sufficiently anonymous electronic currencies that are already available.

Comment author: rhollerith_dot_com 05 March 2011 02:46:38PM *  0 points [-]

If you have evidence of the existence of electronic currencies heavily and successfully used by criminals and terrorists, will you please share?

Comment author: wedrifid 05 March 2011 09:19:09PM 0 points [-]

If you have evidence of the existence of electronic currencies heavily and successfully used by criminals and terrorists, will you please share?

This is not actually what I claimed.

Comment author: rhollerith_dot_com 05 March 2011 11:31:07PM 0 points [-]

This is not actually what I claimed.

OK. What did you claim, then?

Comment author: wedrifid 06 March 2011 12:09:46AM *  1 point [-]

Pardon me, the word 'could' was missing, distorting my intended meaning. Edited.

I claim that the for the purposes of criminal activities the existing more popular electronic currencies are just as effective as bitcoin would be.

Now that you mention it I would claim that criminals use anonymous online currencies. Online currencies are notorious for money laundering. I have no idea what terrorists in particular currently do. Just what online resources they have available.