Pavitra comments on Shikamaru vs. the Logical Fallacies - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Pavitra 06 March 2011 08:52:48PM *  5 points [-]

And he's a ninja! In Naruto, they do 15 impossible things before breakfast! This sort of line would make sense if Shikamaru didn't personally have the ability to move and kill with his own shadow.

Oh yes, and this.

Shikamaru's initial reaction should probably be something along these lines:

Obviously a jutsu. There were three basic types: taijutsu, genjutsu, and ninjutsu. Taijutsu was obviously out for the same reason it had to be jutsu in the first place. That left genjutsu or ninjutsu.

Consider genjutsu: illusion. Hidan might really be dead, but then he couldn't maintain the illusion; perhaps the illusion was Kakuzu's. Alternatively, the wound could be illusory, or the body itself. Hidan might be uninjured, or somewhere else.

If it was ninjutsu... they were basically screwed. Any technique that could actually prevent death would have to be kinjutsu, a forbidden technique. He'd have to run. Actually, he should probably kill Asuma himself, just in case the kinjutsu prevented his soul from reaching the pure world...

Shikamaru could feel himself flinching away from the thought. No, he told himself. If that was really what was at stake, he had to know. He would not sacrifice Asuma's soul because he was too cowardly to admit that he could lose.

Kinjutsu or genjutsu. Everything depended on this. How could he find out?

Comment author: gwern 06 March 2011 09:43:03PM 2 points [-]

Yes, that's definitely a fragment from a better Shikamaru vs...; on the other hand, I don't remember that battle too well, wasn't the immortality thing an actual immortality? So by your reasoning above Shikamaru couldn't've won (since it was a ninjutsu/kinjutsu).

Comment author: Pavitra 06 March 2011 11:03:54PM 0 points [-]

It might have been possible to nonfatally restrain him, such as by cutting him into small pieces and tying the pieces up, and then calling for backup from someone who knows sealing jutsu.