Perplexed comments on Making Reasoning Obviously Locally Correct - Less Wrong

19 Post author: JGWeissman 12 March 2011 07:41PM

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Comment author: Perplexed 13 March 2011 04:27:20PM 1 point [-]

Our disagreement seems to derive from my use of the words "different flawed step" and your use of "same flaw". Eliezer suggested substituting 1 for x and y in :

(x+y)(x-y) = y(x-y)

x+y = y

yielding

(1+1)(1-1) = 1(1-1) (true)

1+1 = 1 (false)

Thus, since a true equation was transformed into a false one, the step must have been flawed.

Under my suggestion, we have:

(0+0)(0-0) = 0(0-0) (true)

0+0 = 0 (true)

So, under Eliezer's suggested criterion (turning true to false) this is not a flawed step, though if you look carefully enough, you can still notice the flaw - a division by zero.

Comment author: timtyler 13 March 2011 06:41:16PM *  4 points [-]

So, under Eliezer's suggested criterion (turning true to false) this is not a flawed step, though if you look carefully enough, you can still notice the flaw - a division by zero.

Hmm. A failure to identify a flawed step doesn't mean that the step isn't flawed.

A true statement turning into a false one does show that you manipulated it badly - but a true statement staying true doesn't show that you manipulated it well.