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Comment author: Emile 14 March 2011 09:55:32PM 1 point [-]

Now, if you had to explain why French only conjugates verbs in written rather than spoken form ...

We do?

Like Yvain, I once taught French as a second language, and don't remember that. I did have a lot of cases of "there's probably a rule but I don't know how to spell it out".

Comment author: SilasBarta 14 March 2011 09:58:14PM 0 points [-]

We do?

In a way -- I'm referring to how a lot of the forms sound the same but have to be written differently -- e.g. parle vs. parles.

Comment author: Emile 14 March 2011 10:08:42PM *  7 points [-]

Oh, that, yes - I ascribe that more to the fact that written French just has a lot of letters you don't pronounce, or only pronounce in certain contexts, especially at the end of words (or h at the beginning).

But those letters still exist, even in spoken french: the verbs in "tu vois" and "il voit" sound the same ("vwa") in isolation, but with "arriver" behind them, they can sound like "tu vwazarriver" and "il vwatarriver".

Comment author: komponisto 14 March 2011 11:45:46PM 1 point [-]

Not to mention the fact that only some of the forms are homophones anyway: parle/parles/parlent sound the same, but they're different from parlons and parlez.

Comment author: prase 15 March 2011 02:24:53PM 0 points [-]

Is there some context where you can distinguish ait from aient in the spoken language?

Comment author: Emile 15 March 2011 02:47:37PM 0 points [-]

Probably not, even the vois/voit example is far-fetched, most people would pronounce both "vwa'arriver", except maybe in a context where they want to put extra emphasis.

Comment author: grouchymusicologist 14 March 2011 10:09:20PM 6 points [-]

Verb forms' frequently being homophones is really not the same thing as their not being conjugated when spoken.

Comment author: prase 15 March 2011 02:19:52PM 1 point [-]

If all verb forms were homophones then it would be exactly the same thing. French still hasn't gone so far.