JoshuaZ comments on Being a teacher - Less Wrong

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Comment author: JoshuaZ 20 March 2011 11:21:55PM *  0 points [-]

As another example, I would have a different idea of what's being said if someone pointed out to me a "sweaty hot runner" versus a "hot sweaty runner". The first makes me think the runner is sexually attractive, but the second doesn't.

This doesn't' seem to be a transitivity issue. Rather, this seems to rest on the fact that the same adjectives have different meanings, and the different meanings fall into different parts of the hierarchy. But I'm not sure.

Comment author: Mark_Eichenlaub 21 March 2011 07:14:00AM 2 points [-]

First, I guess I should clear up that we're talking about commutativity, not transitivity.

I think it is an example of non-commutativity. It's exactly the same words with the order switched, and the meaning changes. However, you're also right to point out that the meaning of the word "hot" is changing even though the word itself is not.

Here's an example of non-commutativity in which the words' individual meanings stay the same, but the overall meaning changes.

"I remember my good first attempt."

"I remember my first good attempt."

Comment author: JoshuaZ 21 March 2011 01:28:06PM 1 point [-]

Yes, I meant transitivity, as in the correct seeming order for adjectives A,B,C seems in pairs to be AB, BC,CA.

Comment author: Mark_Eichenlaub 30 March 2011 11:07:08AM 0 points [-]

Oh, I see. Sorry I missed the point. I don't have any examples of examples of that.