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Comment author: Zachary_Kurtz 17 March 2011 07:26:49PM 1 point [-]

Is that because if you treat probabilities of (God or not God) as maximum entropy without prior information you'd get 50/50?

Comment author: David_Gerard 17 March 2011 07:33:48PM *  2 points [-]

Something like that - I need to find a written example of the Bayesian probability argument for God. The idea is that when you have no idea, and no basis for an idea, you have no reason to have the probability of A greater or lesser than the probability of not-A.

Note that a large part of the thrust of Dawkins' The God Delusion is to show the improbability of the God hypothesis (as stated by Dawkins) given what we know already.

The assumption that we know nothing about a question, when we actually know quite a lot, is a common way to turn a negligible probability into a non-negligible one, e.g. as I have noted before about parapsychology.

Comment author: Alexandros 17 March 2011 08:35:29PM *  2 points [-]

Lukeprog has posted one in the discussion section a while back.

Comment author: [deleted] 17 March 2011 08:38:12PM *  1 point [-]
Comment author: David_Gerard 17 March 2011 08:43:58PM *  0 points [-]

Ah, here we are! And another! Not silly enough to actually use 0.5 as the prior, but then these are the sophisticated versions - or at least lengthy.

Another anecdote of the currency of "Bayes, P(God)=0.5": Armondikov at RationalWiki also ranted recently on his FB (else I'd link it) about theists who've discovered the word "Bayes" and start at 0.5.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 17 March 2011 08:55:38PM 4 points [-]
Comment author: David_Gerard 17 March 2011 09:04:50PM *  3 points [-]

The important phenomenon to note here is the word "Bayes" achieving currency amongst the not joined-up of thinking, as an excuse for stupidity. Good thing or bad thing?

Comment author: ata 18 March 2011 02:03:37AM *  4 points [-]

Most likely a bad thing, given similar past examples. E.g. I've talked to atheists who won't touch Bostrom/Anthropic Bias because they associate "the anthropic principle" with theological fine-tuning arguments. And the general problem of audiences' first impression of Bayes being that it's just another clever way to argue for whatever you want to believe or want others to believe.

On the other hand, it would be interesting to have more debates between theists and atheists who are both familiar with Bayes and use it explicitly, if the atheist is good enough at noticing and explaining flawed uses of it, so audiences can become familiar with fallacious uses of it and see that it can be used wisely.

Comment author: Cyan 18 March 2011 03:13:29AM *  0 points [-]

Here's some non-LW links: Richard Swinburne, Stephen Unwin.

Comment author: David_Gerard 18 March 2011 05:49:40PM *  2 points [-]

(slaps self upside of head) And, of course, there's an entire section of The God Delusion dealing with the Bayesian argument, as first popularised by Stephen Unwin in his 2003 book The Probability Of God, who - ta-dah! - started with 0.5.