Vladimir_Nesov comments on Less Wrong Rationality and Mainstream Philosophy - Less Wrong

106 Post author: lukeprog 20 March 2011 08:28PM

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Comment author: [deleted] 20 March 2011 11:32:23PM 6 points [-]

Thanks so much. I didn't know about Quine, and from what you've quoted it seems quite clearly in the same vein as LessWrong.

Also, out of curiosity, do you know if anything's been written about whether an agent (natural or artificial) needs goals in order to learn? Obviously humans and animals have values, at least in the sense of reward and punishment or positive and negative outcomes -- does anyone think that this is of practical importance for building processes that can form accurate beliefs about the world?

Comment author: Vladimir_Nesov 21 March 2011 02:23:29PM *  1 point [-]

Obviously humans and animals have values, at least in the sense of reward and punishment or positive and negative outcomes -- does anyone think that this is of practical importance for building processes that can form accurate beliefs about the world?

Practical importance for what purpose? Whatever that purpose is, adding heuristics that optimize the learning heuristics for better fulfillment of that purpose would be fruitful for that purpose.

It would be of practical importance to the extent the original implementation of the learning heuristics is suboptimal, and to the extent the implementable learning-heuristic-improving heuristics can work on that. If you are talking of autonomous agents, self-improvement is a necessity, because you need open-ended potential for further improvement. If you are talking about non-autonomous tools people write, it's often difficult to construct useful heuristic-improvement heuristics. But of course their partially-optimized structure is already chosen while making use of the values that they're optimized for, purpose in the designers.