JGWeissman comments on The trouble with teamwork - Less Wrong

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Comment author: JGWeissman 24 March 2011 06:32:51PM 0 points [-]

find activities that are you competing against yourself eg: rock-climbing, martial-arts, running, archery, cycling

Does martial arts, which involves fighting an opponent, really belong on this list?

Comment author: taryneast 24 March 2011 07:07:01PM *  1 point [-]

Yep - I'd say that 80-90% of martial arts involves honing your own craft. You get to try out that practise on somebody else... but it's no way the same thing as "teamwork".

I am notoriously "not a team player" when it comes to sports... and I LOVE martial arts. :)

There are also martial arts that are entirely solitary... for example archery. But they're rarer.

Edit: oh - and I guess I should say, that I consider that the end goal of martial arts is to be a better martial artist. Not to just beat the one guy you happen to be fighting right now.

Thus you are in fact competing against yourself - you are trying to beat your past skill-level... the guy you're currently punching is merely a means to that end. :)

Comment author: Vaniver 24 March 2011 07:41:06PM 2 points [-]

Whether or not you are competing against yourself or others seems independent of whether you are competing by yourself or with others, and so I think you're misapplying the distinctions. Changing the word "against" to "by" clears the confusion and links it back to the original subject more strongly.

Comment author: taryneast 24 March 2011 08:01:49PM 0 points [-]

Yes, I think that's the important distinction. It's all about whether or not you're cooperating with others to secure the goal, or working by yourself. In all the sports I've described above - you are not cooperating with others to achieve the same goal - except for the more nebulous "have fun" goal :)

The fact that others can be involved while you practice is a secondary matter - that only concerns you if you literally want to be by yourself... which as you say - is not likely to be the case.