Yvain comments on Levels of Power - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Yvain 24 March 2009 05:16:18PM *  11 points [-]

The idea is potentially useful but also potentially a giant minefield. Anything that can be hijacked and turned into a stupid rat race for status will be. I spent most of my time as a martial artist wishing I was a black belt, rather than wishing I was good at martial arts. Which is probably why I never got a black belt.

If we want to do this, far better it apply to lessons rather than people. It should be usable only the way you used it on the top of this post: as a way of stating a difficulty level. This is denotatively the same (if level 1.5 posts are appropriate to me, I must be a level 1.5 rationalist) but connotatively very different. There should be a holy unbreakable taboo upon ever mentioning levels in connection with a person.

But before I actually started putting the numbers on posts, I would want a much more precise description of what they mean. If you listed ten or twenty diverse OB posts along with the level you would assign each, that would help.

Comment author: CarlShulman 27 March 2009 03:20:21AM *  6 points [-]

This is a minefield, and the historical experience is bad. The idea of 'Shock Levels' comes to mind. Post dependencies and suggested background reading seem vastly superior. I strongly oppose numerical levels.

Comment author: Patrick 27 March 2009 03:16:10AM *  2 points [-]

Ok, here's a list, if you want more, email me at patrick.robotham2@gmail.com

The Third Alternative level 1

Procrastination level 0

Reasonable Disagreement level 1

Can Counterfactuals be True? level 2

Knowing about biases can hurt you level 1.2

Rationalization level 1.7

Modesty in a Disagreement level 2

A Fable of Science and Politics level 0

Explain/Worship/Ignore level 1

Foxes vs Hedgehogs level 2