atucker comments on Reflections on rationality a year out - Less Wrong

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Comment author: atucker 30 March 2011 12:41:44AM 2 points [-]

Wow. I wanted to say something like that, but this is waaaay better.

Your story makes me wonder about connections in the other direction, from rationality to locus of control.

I think that the shift probably has to do with framing things as you deciding to take actions which are linked to specific utilities, rather than things happening to you.

There seems to be an emphasis in lots of older philosophies (most Monotheistic Religions, Norse Mythology, Stoicism, Daoism) on external loci of control. I wonder how much of that of that is because they're right, memetically infective, or just because people didn't know how to control things well.

Comment author: Nornagest 30 March 2011 12:45:56AM 2 points [-]

Hmm. I wonder if it's worthwhile to make a distinction between external locus of control and absence of a locus of control; Stoic-style fatalism seems subtly different from Calvinist-style predestination, and somewhat more clearly distinguished from limited self-determination within a motivational landscape defined mainly by forces outside your control.

Comment author: atucker 30 March 2011 12:54:23AM 2 points [-]

Yeah. I winced a bit when I clumped them together like that.

It seems to me that Stoicism asserts that your locus of control over external events is external, but that you can control yourself and by going along with Nature and in doing so eliminate your suffering.