Bongo comments on Guilt: Another Gift Nobody Wants - Less Wrong

67 Post author: Yvain 31 March 2011 12:27AM

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Comment author: Bongo 31 March 2011 02:21:04AM *  1 point [-]

It doesn't look like undeserved guilt gets you anything that plain vanilla guilt doesn't. Vanilla guilt suffices to make it so that it's not in your self-interest to kill your brother, arrange for a disaster etc.

Comment author: ameriver 31 March 2011 04:42:24AM 1 point [-]

What do you mean by "vanilla" guilt?

Comment author: Bongo 31 March 2011 04:49:24AM 2 points [-]

Feeling bad for actually having committed a crime.

Comment author: ameriver 31 March 2011 05:18:41AM 7 points [-]

I think the implication is that undeserved guilt serves to signal to others - once the event has actually happened - that those things were not in your self interest. Everyone can see they weren't, because you are publicly paying a higher cost than the benefit you would receive for having caused them.

Vanilla guilt perhaps helps, but it's a much less powerful signal to the community. First, you must have committed a crime in the past, so they can know that you are a guilt-feeling person. Second, they have to trust that your personality hasn't changed since then. Third, they have to know about/remember the incident in question, and fourth they have to make the mental leap of using that memory as evidence in this situation.

Comment author: Bongo 31 March 2011 08:10:43AM 1 point [-]

First, you must have committed a crime in the past, so they can know that you are a guilt-feeling person. Second, they have to trust that your personality hasn't changed since then. Third, they have to know about/remember the incident in question, and fourth they have to make the mental leap of using that memory as evidence in this situation.

Those reasons do make sense. I think the post should mention them.

Comment author: Alicorn 31 March 2011 05:15:27AM 2 points [-]

It's the kind with the lovely bits of vanilla bean in, comes in a tin with the white flowers on the label, you know the stuff.

Comment author: DSimon 04 April 2011 03:01:09PM 3 points [-]

And then of course there's chocolate guilt. I used to get that all the time at Chanukah.

Comment author: ameriver 31 March 2011 07:22:04PM 0 points [-]

Ah, if only it were true