RichardKennaway comments on Manufacturing prejudice - Less Wrong

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Comment author: RichardKennaway 02 April 2011 06:52:01PM 6 points [-]

I have lived in England for thirty years, and previously lived in Scotland, and I have never, ever, encountered anything resembling even slightly the account on that Facebook page. In fact, apart from the copycat incidents linked to by the OP, I have never heard of such things happening on account of ginger hair anywhere in the world.

I don't believe it.

Comment author: JulianMorrison 03 April 2011 09:40:40PM 5 points [-]

This is one variety of "privilege" - being so personally out of the loop as a person who doesn't get discriminated against that you don't even believe in the discrimination.

In reality you are trapped in a "small world" like the (apocryphal) Hollywood actress who said "I can't believe Nixon won, nobody I know voted for him".

Comment author: RichardKennaway 03 April 2011 10:19:08PM 1 point [-]

Do you have any evidence that ginger-bashing has ever occurred anywhere except in response to the South Park episode?

Comment author: PhilGoetz 04 April 2011 12:57:36PM 5 points [-]

Spend a few minutes with google. Try things like '"red hair" prejudice England'.

Comment author: RichardKennaway 04 April 2011 08:04:19PM *  3 points [-]

Ok, I agree that it happens more than I had thought.

Comment author: khafra 04 April 2011 03:19:00AM 5 points [-]

Irish descent and red hair are strongly correlated.

Comment author: taryneast 04 April 2011 01:32:44PM 4 points [-]

I have pretty-much only just arrived in the UK and I have been horrified by tthe "just joking (only not)" attitude towards people with red hair.

Mainly it's jokes - and those with actual red hair that I've met do the same sort of jokes in a slightly self-deprecating, slightly cringing way. Sounding like they'd obviously been singled out for victimisation all their life. I've also heard actual discrimination talk. Of the sort that contains phrases like "oh, well he's ginger, you know what they're like." That kind of attitude is quite astonishing over such a nonsensical physical attribute.

Comment author: TheOtherDave 04 April 2011 02:08:54PM 0 points [-]

Now that you mention it, the idea that redheads are hot-tempered and irrational (which is itself a vestige of the "Irish temper" myth) does have a certain purchase on this side of the pond (U.S.)... though I mostly think of that as an artifact of mid-20th-century genre fiction, and in that context it mostly seems to apply to women, often coupled with a certain "you're so cute when you're angry" dismissiveness.

Comment author: JulianMorrison 03 April 2011 10:33:03PM 4 points [-]

I have my experience from childhood, that ginger people were picked upon, long before South Park existed. Beating-up, I don't recall. Name-calling, I do. But then, I went to schools that weren't rough.

Not expecting my personal recall to be strong evidence to you.

Consider though the phrase "red headed stepchild". That one is old, and its antiquity should be fairly strong evidence.

Comment author: David_Gerard 02 April 2011 07:21:21PM *  1 point [-]

The original post matches for lots of English (in particular) redheads I know. Coming from Australia to the UK, I boggle slightly at it.

Comment author: PhilGoetz 02 April 2011 09:15:32PM 2 points [-]

Which matches? The original post, or Richard's experience?

Comment author: David_Gerard 02 April 2011 10:14:42PM *  0 points [-]

The original post. (Clarified, thanks!)