Costanza comments on The peril of ignoring emotions - Less Wrong

14 Post author: Swimmer963 03 April 2011 05:15PM

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Comment author: [deleted] 04 April 2011 09:02:21PM *  6 points [-]

This might get me downvoted due to the tribal dynamics on LW but I just wanted to share that I think my reason for missing your excellent point (upvoted) was perhaps some assumptions I made reading the following paragraph:

Bob is part of her crowd. Her friends like him; he respects women and treats Sally well and, like any healthy teenage boy, fairly horny. According to her belief system, that shouldn’t set off any alarm bells. She’s been warned about abusive relationships, but Bob is a nice guy.

I'm sorry but Bob is a very unsexy sounding guy.

This seems to hold true when dissected from a variety of perspectives, thought this is probably just the result of unfortunate signalling side effects of some words. Anyway I find it amusing some of the heuristics I've employed with such great confidence should happen to misfire on a LW article where I should have known better.

Comment author: Costanza 04 April 2011 09:25:07PM 0 points [-]

I'm sorry but Bob is a very unsexy sounding guy.

I'd say rather that the description says nothing about Bob's generally-perceived attractiveness nor his attractiveness to Sally in particular.

What if Sally had described Bob with words like:

"Bob has a little dimple on his left cheek which gives him a slightly asymmetrical smile. Those black pants he always wears have a tiny hole on the back of his left thigh. His hair looks brown at first, but it's really a shade of red."

Maybe Bob respects women and is an ardent feminist, maybe he's gay, maybe he's an abusive jerk -- we don't know. But we get an idea of how he seems subjectively to Sally.

Comment author: [deleted] 04 April 2011 09:33:47PM *  3 points [-]

But we get an idea of how he seems subjectively to Sally.

But this was all I at first considered. How Sally perceives him. Hence:

I'm sorry but Bob is a very unsexy sounding guy.

Comment author: Costanza 04 April 2011 09:44:39PM 0 points [-]

I guess it depends on whose voice the quote was in. If that was Sally talking about Bob to herself in her own thoughts, she doesn't seem truly interested in him. However, I took it instead that the quote was in the voice of the original poster, describing a hypothetical from a somewhat (but not entirely) detached viewpoint.

Comment author: Swimmer963 04 April 2011 10:41:23PM 3 points [-]

That is how I intended it. I also didn't intend for Sally to be very strongly attracted to Bob...the problem in the story is that her being mildly attracted to him is enough, initially, for her to go along with having sex with him because her explicit beliefs say that sex is casual fun...and yes I've heard people express this explicit belief before.