Wei_Dai comments on Cryptanalysis as Epistemology? (paging cryptonerds) - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Wei_Dai 07 April 2011 09:06:36PM *  4 points [-]

I'd say that science and cryptanalysis both share the ideal of (or can be viewed as) trying to approximate Bayesian updating on a Solomonoff prior. In cryptanalysis, you have the disadvantage that your opponent is intelligent and malicious (from your perspective), but you have the advantage that the encryption process doesn't have much computing power (since ciphers have to be fast to minimize computing costs). In science, nature is not malicious, but it's not limited in computing power either. Yes, they are basically similar, but each is specialized to its domain of inquiry, so I doubt science can learn much from cryptanalysis.

Comment author: SilasBarta 12 April 2011 02:33:42PM 1 point [-]

I just remembered EY's post that alien message, and I don't think I'm making too dissimilar an argument: In EY's story, the aliens aren't as smart as humans, so we can infer the patterns in their messages, predict new ones, and inject new code.

As aliens were to those humans, so is nature to us.

Comment author: SilasBarta 11 April 2011 08:15:15PM 0 points [-]

In science, nature is not malicious, but it's not limited in computing power either

Nature's also not very intelligent, as elaborated on here and here.

I explained one historical instance of scientists going through the same process as cryptanalysis in my reply to Nancy.

Comment author: jsalvatier 08 April 2011 05:34:50PM 0 points [-]

That's a good distinction.