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I actually don't care about kharma - I'm not posting to get good kharma. Neither is curi. Disagreements should be resolved by discussion and by criticism, not by voting. I was just wondering how many people who disagree with Bayesianism end up with 0 kharma on LW and whether that isn't a bias? BTW, how do you know the reason something got downvoted?
With regard to your comments:
I have not found something on LW arguing that induction is impossible, the Popperian position. I have read a bunch of stuff here (done some homework) and it seems to me to be in the inductivist tradition of Aristotelian philosophy. I know other people who say the same thing and LW'ers that I have talked to seem incredulous that induction is impossible. So if you claim not to be in this mainstream tradition, I don't see how that can be and asking for material I cannot find is reasonable.
That wasn't an attempt to get upvotes. It was a comment to curi, who I know.
If I just commented on the first quote, people would have accused me of disputing the definition (which they did anyway - oh well). The "rules followed by scientists" refers to "traditional philosophy", by which Eliezer/Oscar mean Popper. Some commenters think Eliezer is only criticizing pop-culture. That is not so: he is criticizing Popper, and there are other posts where he makes this explicit. So Popper has everything to do with this.
You said not to start any replies with "lol". Popperians will try doing different things in conversation to see how the other person reacts. Are they concerned with style over substance? Do they place too much emphasis on emotional reactions? Are they conformists? I wasn't doing that in this instance, but by enforcing rigid standards of communication you lose knowledge. curi talks more about this in his threads.
Karma is not a method of resolving disagreements here, it's a feedback mechanism. If your comments are being heavily downvoted, it lets you know that people are finding something objectionable about them. Ideally we would like to be able to resolve disagreements here by discussion or experiment, but not all discussion is fruitful, and when a debate persists without a useful exchange of information or changing of opinions, then many people are going to want to see less of it.
If you are interested in communicating ideas playing experiments with your audience is probably not helpful for your goals. Moreover, just because someone is "concerned with style over substance" or is a "conformist" does not mean they have nothing useful to offer.
Moreover, in most internet conversations, the vast majority of readers are people who will never comment. If you have any interest in getting them to listen, coming across as rude, or unnecessarily obnoxious will not endear you to them.
It can be. Conventional social rules often mask disagreements and are designed to do that. If you stick to the social rules, the truth can take longer to come out.
I agree, but I didn't say that.
I think stating the truth about things is enough not to endear yourself to a lot of people, so trying to endear yourself to them isn't going to help.
I'm pretty sure it's a mistake to lump together everyone who says induction is possible as "the mainstream tradition".
They are all in the justificationist tradition, which is mainstream.
By that same logic, I could say "Popper is in the non-quantitative tradition, which is mainstream (in contrast to Bayesian epistemology)". Reflecting one aspect of the mainstream, even a particularly important one, is still not sufficient for actually being mainstream.
You're just arguing terminology. I don't know what for. I was explaining what Brian meant.
Oops, I misread his "this mainstream tradition" as "the mainstream tradition". Apologies.