JoshuaZ comments on What is wrong with "Traditional Rationality"? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: JoshuaZ 11 April 2011 05:18:31AM *  2 points [-]

There a variety of issues going on here. Manfred pointed out many of them. There's another issue here that is you've had an influx of users all of whom are arguing for essentially the same set of positions and not doing it very well with a bit of rudeness thrown in. One of the three is being particularly egregious, and I suspect that there may be some spill-over in attitude from that user's behavior towards how people are voting about you. I will note that in the threads responding to the various Popperian criticisms, various LW regulars are willing to say when another LWian has said something they think is wrong. It might help to distinguish yourselves if you were willing to point out when you think the others are wrong. For example, you haven't posted at all in this thread. Do you agree with everything he has said there? If you disagree will you say so or do you feel a need to stay silent to protect a fellow member of your tribal group?

For what it is worth, I'm not a Bayesian. I think that Bayesianism has deep problems especially surrounding 1) the difficulty of where priors come from 2) the difficulty of meaningfully making Bayesian estimates about abstract systems. I've voiced those concerns before here, and many of those comments have been voted up. Indeed, I recently started a subthread discussing a problem with the Solomonoff prior approach which has been voted up.

Comment author: [deleted] 11 April 2011 08:10:57AM 1 point [-]

I agree with curi that the Conjunction Fallacy does not exist. But if I disagreed I would say so - Popperians don't hold back from criticism of each other. If my criticism hit its mark, then curi would change his mind and I know that because I participate in Popperian forums that curi participates in. That said, most Popperians I know think along similar lines; I see more disagreement among Bayesians about their philosophy here.

Your thread is about a technical issue and I think Bayesians are more comfortable discussing these sort of things.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 11 April 2011 06:35:05PM -1 points [-]

I agree with curi that the Conjunction Fallacy does not exist.

He's not doing a very good job making that case. Do you think you can do a better job?

Also, let's go through some of his other claims in that thread. I'm curious which you agree with: Do you agree with the rest of what he has to say in that thread when he claims that "bad pseudo-scientific research designed to prove that people are biased idiots"? Do you agree with him that there is a deliberate "agenda" within the cognitive bias research "which has a low opinion of humans" which is "treating humans like dirt, like idiots"?

Do you agree with his claim that the conjunction fallacy is a claim about all thought about conjunctions and not some conjunctions?

Do you agree with his claim that ""Probability estimate" is a technical term which we can't expect people to know? Do you agree with his implicit claim that this should apply even to highly educated people who work as foreign policy experts?