curi comments on David Deutsch on How To Think About The Future - Less Wrong
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Athens lost to sparta. But it was a close call. Sparta excelled at nothing but war. Athens spread its efforts around and was good at everything. And it was close! That's how much more powerful Athens was: it did tons of other stuff and nearly won the war anyway.
If Athens had had an extra 100 years to improve, it would have gotten a big lead on Sparta. Long term, that kind of society wins.
Not long term.
They were up against closed societies that were much worse than they themselves were in pretty much every respect including morally. The natives were not non-violent philosophers.