shokwave comments on We are not living in a simulation - Less Wrong

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Comment author: dfranke 12 April 2011 10:21:16AM 4 points [-]

I can think of three, maybe more, ways to unpack the phrase "reject qualia":

  1. "Qualia are not a useful philosophical concept. The things you're trying to refer to when you say 'qualia' are better understood in different terms that will provide greater clarity".

  2. "Qualia don't exist. The things you're trying to refer to when you say 'qualia' are figments of your imagination."

  3. "The very notion of qualia is inconceivable. It's like talking about dry water."

Please clarify what you mean.

Comment author: shokwave 12 April 2011 03:47:33PM *  3 points [-]

I mean #2 precisely.

That is, qualia - the universalised experience of 'redness', of fundamental experience, or what-have-you - is a category which we dump neural firing patterns into. At the level of patterns in the brain physiology, there are only patterns, and some patterns are isomorphic to each other - that is, a slightly different pattern in a slightly different architecture nevertheless builds up to the same higher-level result.

It is a figment of your imagination because that's an easy shortcut that our brains take. In attempting to communicate ideas - to cause isomorphic patterns to arise in the other's brain - our brains may tend to create a common cause, an abstract concept that both patterns are derived from. There isn't any such platonic concept! There's just the neural firing in my head (completely simulable on a computer, no human brain needed) and the neural firing in your head (also completely simulable, no brain needed). There's nothing that, in essence, requires a human brain involved in doing the simulating, at any point.

Hmm. Qualia's come up a few times on LessWrong, and it seems like a nonzero portion of the comments accept it. I'll have to go through the literature on qualia to build a more thorough case against it. Look forward to a "No Qualia" post sometime soon edit: including baseless speculation on why talking about it is so confusing! - unless, in going through the literature, I change my mind about whether qualia exist.