knb comments on We are not living in a simulation - Less Wrong

-9 Post author: dfranke 12 April 2011 01:55AM

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Comment author: knb 13 April 2011 09:27:12AM *  3 points [-]

If my qualia were actually those of a computer chip, then rather than feeling hot I would feel purple (or rather, some quale that no human language can describe), and if you asked me why I went back indoors even though I don't have any particular objection to purple and the weather is not nearly severe enough to pose any serious threat to my health, I wouldn't be able to answer you or in any way connect my qualia to my actions.

If a simulation allowed life to evolve within it, and was not just an attempt to replicate something which already exists, would you expect natural selection within the simulation to produce beings with qualia that "match" the functional purpose?

If so, it seems like that would leave much of the simulation argument in tact.

Comment author: Kevin 13 April 2011 09:31:35AM 6 points [-]

Yes, dfranke's argument seems to map to "we are not living in a simulation because we are not zombies and people living in a simulation are zombies".

Comment author: dfranke 13 April 2011 03:29:07PM *  0 points [-]

s/are not zombies/have qualia/ and you'll get a little more accurate. A zombie, supposing such a thing is possible (which I doubt for all the reasons given in http://lesswrong.com/lw/p7/zombies_zombies ), is still a real, physical object. The objects of a simulation don't even rise to zombie status.

Comment author: Jonathan_Graehl 14 April 2011 08:18:16PM 2 points [-]

A zombie ... is still a real, physical object. The objects of a simulation don't even rise to zombie status.

It's really unclear what you mean by 'zombie', 'real, physical object', and 'objects of a simulation'. But you're right that Kevin meant by 'zombie' exactly 'us without qualia'. I thought this was obvious in context.

Comment author: Kevin 14 April 2011 08:57:06AM 1 point [-]

What is a physical object?

Comment author: jsalvatier 14 April 2011 06:17:11PM 0 points [-]

If you are not arguing for zombies, I am really confused about what you're trying to argue for.