steven0461 comments on Arational quotes - Less Wrong

0 Post author: Dr_Manhattan 14 April 2011 12:58AM

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Comment author: steven0461 14 April 2011 04:02:18AM 0 points [-]

I don't understand the context of the first quote. What does he want people to invert and in what circumstances?

Comment author: Vladimir_M 14 April 2011 06:31:01AM *  6 points [-]

The context is algebra, and I think the message is that you can improve your insight by thinking in terms of reciprocal values of various quantities that you normally use. (So, for example, you may get to understand certain problems in mechanics better if you think in terms of time elapsed per distance traveled rather than speed.)

Comment author: komponisto 14 April 2011 08:27:55PM 3 points [-]

The context is algebra, and I think the message is that you can improve your insight by thinking in terms of reciprocal values of various quantities that you normally use.

The context is actually mathematics in general, not specifically algebra. It's important to remember first of all that Jacobi was a 19th-century mathematician, and in those days mathematics didn't exactly have the same subdivisions it has now, and even to the extent it did, it was common for people to work across these boundaries. The quote at the beginning of this post refers to Jacobi as an algebraist for some reason, but you could equally well call him an analyst, for example.

The actual context of Jacobi's maxim is his work on elliptic functions, which he invented by inverting so-called "elliptic integrals". The inverses turned out to be much easier to work with. For an analogy, imagine that you'd never heard of the trigonometric functions sin and cos, but instead were working with arcsin and arccos, thinking of them as antiderivatives of and respectively. Along comes Jacobi (or someone in his role) who suggests considering the inverses of these things, giving them the names sin and cos, and shows how they satisfy all kinds of nice properties.

My own use of Jacobi's quote in Inverse Speed was meant to be slightly tongue-in-cheek, since the context I applied it to was so much more elementary than its original context. However, I felt that it was also a very illustrative application of the principle, its elementary nature notwithstanding. (Not to mention that a major subtext of my post was that I think of "elementary" concepts in terms of "advanced" concepts, since the latter are actually more natural to me.)

Comment author: steven0461 14 April 2011 07:13:59PM 0 points [-]

I see; I thought it was meant to be an example of a quote that sounds rational but isn't.

Comment author: Dr_Manhattan 14 April 2011 03:35:18PM 2 points [-]

Munger applied it in few different contexts, particularly business.

Quote from Snowball (Buffet bio)

They liked to ponder the reasons for failure as a way of deducing the rules of success. “I had long looked for insight by inversion, in the intense manner counseled by the great algebraist Carl Jacobi,” Munger said. “‘Invert, always invert.’”

Comment author: komponisto 14 April 2011 08:02:11PM 1 point [-]

See here.

Also note that my recent post Inverse Speed used the same quote (which is probably what prompted Vladimir_M's comment).