Peterdjones comments on Three consistent positions for computationalists - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Peterdjones 16 April 2011 07:07:22PM *  0 points [-]

Wrt not implying substrate independence: sure, I agree in principle; it's not >impossible that only protoplasmic substrates can implement consciousness. All I'm saying is that if that turns out to be true, it will be because certain kinds of computations can only be performed on protoplasmic machines.

That is false, since we can build Universal Turing Machines (up to a certain finite memory) out of non-protoplasm, and a UTM can compute anything.

I suppose I could say my understanding of substrate-independence is implicitly a >2-place predicate: system S is subtrate-independent with respect to observer O iff O >considers some system S2 identical to S, where S is implemented on a different >substrate than S2.

An observer-relative notion of computation is problematic for a computational theory of consc, since an observer-relative notion of consciousness is problematics. Surely the point is that I know i am conscious, not that he thinks I am.

Comment author: wnoise 16 April 2011 09:12:25PM 0 points [-]

That is false, since we can build Universal Turing Machines (up to a certain finite memory) out of non-protoplasm, and a UTM can compute anything.

You have a proof of the Church-Turing thesis? You should write it up and become famous in the CS community!

Comment author: Peterdjones 18 April 2011 07:49:00PM *  -1 points [-]

The other guy needs a disproof of the CTT...an effective procedure that can only be computed in protoplasm.