Emile comments on Offense versus harm minimization - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Emile 20 April 2011 06:39:08AM 2 points [-]

Make no mistake, Muslims taking offense to pictures is a disease of the mind

Imagine a world where there are a billion Muslims who are exactly as offended by pictures of Mohammed as the average American student would be by a racist caricature of Martin Luther King. Does one "disease of the mind" need to be cured more than the other? In both cases, the "patient" wouldn't take a pill that cured him.

Now add to the picture one Muslim fanatic who is angry enough at depictions of Mohammed that he'd be ready to kill in retaliation. Is it worth hurting the other billion muslims to try to "cure" him (assumting the cure works, which is another question)? How many fanatics do you need before it makes utilitarian sense to use the cure?

Comment author: shokwave 20 April 2011 06:48:21AM 2 points [-]

In both cases, the "patient" wouldn't take a pill that cured him.

And a lazy person probably couldn't be bothered to go out and get the drug that cures laziness, either. Hence the social presssure method.

Comment author: Emile 20 April 2011 07:57:15AM *  2 points [-]

And a lazy person probably couldn't be bothered to go out and get the drug that cures laziness, either.

Would they? I would, if it was cheap and available enough.

There's an important difference between things people would change if they could do it at zero cost (lazyness, disease, shyness, obesity, possibly a psychopath's pathology), and the things people wouldn't change even if they could at zero cost (being offended by racism, being offended by pictures of Mohammed, caring about other people). That's why I don't find that disease is a very good analogy.

Comment author: shokwave 20 April 2011 08:14:04AM 2 points [-]

That's why I don't find that disease is a very good analogy.

Some features of diseases are applicable to this situation - most aren't, but if any of the features it does have recommend a treatment like social pressure, then 'disease' is a good enough analogy.

(For the record, I don't think disease is a good analogy. The closest this situation comes to being a disease is that we don't want them to have it; they want to keep it.)