ciphergoth comments on Offense versus harm minimization - Less Wrong

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Comment author: NancyLebovitz 20 April 2011 06:56:31AM 5 points [-]

Here's a possible litmus test: how would you feel about another former Orthodox Jew desecrating a Torah scroll as a symbol of eir change in belief.

That's an interesting test. My background (never belief, exactly) is Conservative (that is, intermediate between Orthodox and Reform), and that scenario makes me queasy. My first thought was that it represents a level of rage which I'm not comfortable with (and this isn't totally nonsense), but I do find it more distressing than imagining an ex-Christian doing the same to a Christian bible, even a hand-lettered bible.

Comment author: ciphergoth 20 April 2011 01:08:30PM 5 points [-]

Wow, really? From an atheist background, to me I'm much more horrified by the thought of any unique hand-created book being burned than any printed thing for which there are endless copies.

Comment author: JoshuaZ 20 April 2011 01:23:07PM 8 points [-]

Wow, really? From an atheist background, to me I'm much more horrified by the thought of any unique hand-created book being burned than any printed thing for which there are endless copies.

Er, Torah scrolls are hand-written. The scroll form is always made by a scribe, not printed.

Comment author: ciphergoth 20 April 2011 01:37:07PM 6 points [-]

is enlightened thanks!

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 20 April 2011 09:11:10PM 2 points [-]

I think you missed what ciphergoth was reacting to-- I said that I'd be more upset at a Torah scroll being destroyed than a hand-written Christian bible. This doesn't mean that I'd have no reaction to the Christian destroying a hand-written Christian bible.

What I was imagining for the hand-written bible was one without illustrations, but that probably wouldn't make any emotional difference for ciphergoth.

Comment author: whpearson 20 April 2011 02:18:34PM 3 points [-]

Is the emotion the same if someone made a sufficiently detailed scan of it before they burnt it?

Comment author: ciphergoth 20 April 2011 09:38:05PM *  3 points [-]

If it's detailed enough that sufficiently advanced technology could rebuild it indistinguishably, I'm happy. I'm curious how other people feel about this!