j_andrew_rogers comments on "High Value" Karma vs "Regular" (i.e. Quirrell Points) - Less Wrong

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Comment author: j_andrew_rogers 16 April 2011 11:11:08PM *  9 points [-]

A problem is that karma attempts to capture orthogonal values in a single number. Even though you can reduce those values to a single number they still need to be captured as separate values e.g. slashdot karma system for a half-assed example.

Karma seems to roughly fall into one of three buckets. The first is entertainment value e.g. a particularly witty comment that nonetheless does not add material value to the discussion. The second is informational value e.g. posting a link to particularly relevant literature of which many people are unaware. The third is argumentative value e.g. a well-reasoned and interesting perspective. All of these are captured as "karma" to some extent or another.

Objections are that this makes it difficult to filter content based on karma, which raises questions about its value. If, for example, I am primarily interested in reading hilarious witticism and interesting layman opinions, there is no way to filter out comments that contain dry references to academic literature. Alternatively, if I lack an appropriate sense of humor I might find the karma attributed to immaterial witticism inexplicable.

Even if a clever system was devised and ease of use was ignored, there are still issues of gaming and perverse incentives (e.g. Gibbard-Satterthwaite theorem et al). To misappropriate an old saying, "karma is a bitch".

Comment author: Raemon 17 April 2011 12:18:25AM 3 points [-]

Upvoted because it was well reasoned (if lacking in information I didn't already know), and because the last line is funny.

Comment author: [deleted] 05 July 2011 03:08:06AM 0 points [-]

Upvoted for funny value.

Comment author: Armok_GoB 17 April 2011 08:35:30AM 2 points [-]

I can think of at least 2 kinds of value you missed:

Artistic value, for things like well written stories and non-humorus but inspirational images made.

Implied effort values, for things like summaries that required reading through some huge number of articles but isn't that impressive itself other than letting people know that those hundreds of articles didn't contain anything interesting and saving them the trouble to read them.