Giles comments on Epistle to the New York Less Wrongians - Less Wrong

90 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 20 April 2011 09:13PM

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Comment author: Giles 24 April 2011 11:35:24PM *  4 points [-]

"And the more fun we have the more people will want to join us. That last part is something I only realized was Really Important after visiting New York"

This suggests a strong "I don't do the people stuff" bias (HP:MOR24) which will be one of the many points I address in my upcoming epic "How to save the world" sequence.

Stay tuned on the LW discussion area for this. I think I'll lose a lot of friends here if I pollute the main LW board with my particular agenda ;-)

Downvote to -10 if I haven't written a discussion post along these lines in the next 2 weeks (have to sort out my taxes first - boohoo)

[EDIT: unless someone else beats me to the exact same post. But I guess that would be unlikely and funny enough to lose 10 clippies over]

Comment author: Giles 28 April 2011 05:33:11AM 2 points [-]
Comment author: wedrifid 27 April 2011 05:19:45AM 1 point [-]

Stay tuned on the LW discussion area for this. I think I'll lose a lot of friends here if I pollute the main LW board with my particular agenda ;-)

You can get away with all sorts of stuff if you frame it as trying to save the world. Even altruistic ventures of extremely low expected return are well received.

Comment author: Giles 27 April 2011 12:11:17PM 0 points [-]

I'm curious as to whether this comment is descriptive or normative, and whether it's about LW subculture or society in general.

The "bad" side of this is that "trying to save the world" becomes a signalling game of little real value.

The "good" side is that we should encourage ventures of little expected return, if people are starting to think along the right lines or finally showing a commitment to "doing".

Comment author: wedrifid 27 April 2011 02:26:29PM 0 points [-]

I'm curious as to whether this comment is descriptive or normative, and whether it's about LW subculture or society in general.

Definitely entirely descriptive. About LW subculture although it would apply generally as well.

Comment author: NancyLebovitz 27 April 2011 11:31:34AM 0 points [-]

This suggests a strong "I don't do the people stuff" bias (HP:MOR24)

I think it's a cultural blind spot (fun vs. useful) at least as much.

Also, I think maintaining fun is hard, though I'm interested in arguments that it isn't so hard as all that.

Comment author: katydee 27 April 2011 05:20:58AM 0 points [-]

Commitment device recognized.

Comment author: childofbaud 27 April 2011 05:15:18AM *  0 points [-]

I think I'll lose a lot of friends here if I pollute the main LW board with my particular agenda ;-)

If figuring out how to save the world is your agenda, then I suspect it is a more common one than you think around these parts. Looking forward to your post.