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Comment author: gwern 24 April 2011 08:34:07PM 2 points [-]

If you're living near Malthusian equilibrium, there's probably no smiling involved. Not even the poorest people on Earth are usually living close to that point. In fact, I'm not really sure any modern humans ever have.

You seem to be interpreting Malthusian equilibrium in an odd way, as being at starvation or something. An equilibrium is simply when the population is not growing, when deaths equal births, with many possible permutations and variations. Why aren't the poorest people either currently or historically at equilibriums? In Farewell to Alms, Clark cites examples of how societies can raise per capita welfare in an equilibrium through methods like infanticide (China and the Polynesian islands) or poor sanitation & public health (England).

Comment author: Hyena 29 April 2011 08:46:46AM 1 point [-]

I could be wrong, but my understanding is that a specifically <i>Malthusian</i> equilibrium attains only at carrying capacity. Though it would be interesting to argue that human carrying capacity is multidimensional and so can be reached without starvation. That's a different argument, though.

Comment author: wedrifid 29 April 2011 08:53:19AM 2 points [-]

<i>Malthusian</i>

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Comment author: gwern 29 April 2011 06:56:03PM 1 point [-]

Though it would be interesting to argue that human carrying capacity is multidimensional and so can be reached without starvation.

It can. This isn't at issue (see elsewhere on this page). Carrying capacity is defined by subsistence wage, with starvation as the lower bound, and subsistence wages can vary quite a bit. So carrying capacity will vary from time to place to culture to tech level.