Will_Sawin comments on Is Kiryas Joel an Unhappy Place? - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Eugine_Nier 25 April 2011 08:41:52PM *  3 points [-]

I get the impression that it's even worse in Europe.

Comment author: Will_Sawin 26 April 2011 01:31:49AM 0 points [-]

So my impression was based on this data:

This kind of tendency in the US is connected to a desire for bipartisanship

which comes from a veto-point-ridden legislative system

which is not a common feature in Europe

In Europe I understand that it's accepted that the people put a party in power and the party decides what happens, vs. in America people think that a grand bargain between the elites of both parties is necessary - but that is not necessarily what you're talking about.

Comment author: Emile 09 May 2011 08:01:41PM 1 point [-]

From what I've seen here in France, you'd have something like what Vladimir_M describes without bipartisanship. I prefer the French system with runoff elections, which means that "minor parties" have a real chance, because it brings bigger diversity of positions to public debates, which seems healthy for political and intellectual life (and it may make politics less polarized than in the US, though they are still quite polarized).

But despite those aspects, I don't think it changes much for the relationship between the bureaucracy and elected officials.

Comment author: Will_Sawin 12 May 2011 12:12:39AM 0 points [-]

OK, I am thinking of something different.

Comment author: Eugine_Nier 26 April 2011 01:49:37AM *  1 point [-]

Most European countries have multi-party systems, which have an even greater need for negotiations and compromise. Also Europe has the EU whose bureaucratic institutions are far more developed than its democratic ones.