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Comment author: Zack_M_Davis 28 April 2011 04:15:18PM 5 points [-]

even though from an outside perspective [the lives of modern middle-class Americans] can look frightfully regimented and devoid of any meaningful personal freedom [emphasis added].

I find this claim surprising. I could just be ethnocentric, but it genuinely seems to me that modern middle-class Americans have significantly more personal freedom (of speech, of belief, of dress, of diet, of sexuality, &c.) than members of ultraorthodox communities. Is there any chance you could try to explain the outside perspective of which you speak?

Comment author: lessdazed 28 April 2011 09:59:40PM 0 points [-]

I partially agree with this Vladmir's statement. I doubt that modern middle-class Americans feel significantly more personally free or unfree than many other historical groups, despite being more free.