Amanojack comments on What is Metaethics? - Less Wrong

31 Post author: lukeprog 25 April 2011 04:53PM

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Comment author: Amanojack 27 April 2011 04:12:15PM *  2 points [-]

Since you understand how diseased the discipline of ethics is, I'm hoping the next post in the series will focus heavily on clearing up the semantic issues that have made it so diseased. I don't think any real sense can be made of metaethics until the very nature of what someone is doing when they utter an ethical statement is covered.

We use language to do a lot of things: express emotions, make other people do stuff, signal, intimidate, get our thoughts into other people's minds, parrot what someone else said - and often more than one of these at a time. Since we presumably are trying to get at the speaker's intention, we really can't know the "meaning" without asking the speaker, yet various metaethical theorists call themselves emotivists, error theorists, prescriptivists, and so on. It seems to me the choice of an meta-ethical theory boils down to a choice of what the theorists wants to presume people are trying to do when they use the word ought.

Surely no one can deny that sometimes some people do indeed intend "You ought not steal" as a command, or as a way of expressing disgust at the notion of theft, or simply as a means of intimidation. My meta-meta-ethical theory is that it all depends on what the person uttering the statement intends to accomplish by saying it. A debate between these meta-ethical theories sounds very likely to revolve around whose definition of ought is "correct".

In short, I think the main reason ethics is so diseased as a discipline is that the theorists are trying to argue whose definition is better, rather than acknowledging that it is pretty hard for anyone to know what each person intends by their moralistic language.

Comment author: Clippy 27 April 2011 04:29:33PM 3 points [-]

My definition of "ought" is correct.

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Comment author: CuSithBell 28 April 2011 02:28:18AM 3 points [-]

But first you need to identify x. Which is a question about the meaning of a word.

Comment author: Amanojack 28 April 2011 03:03:01AM *  0 points [-]

Though Bongo is surely right there would be moral sentiments even without language, now we are dealing with something identified: specific emotions like empathy, sense of justice, disgust, indignation, pity. Yeah those would exist without language. And yes, language has made things much more complicated, and the preoccupation with analyzing sentences makes it even even worse.

If people can realize all that without looking at the very nature of communication, that would be great, but in my experience most people feel hesitant about scrapping so many centuries of philosophy and need to see how the language makes such a mess of things before they can truly feel comfortable with it. If Bongo is ready to scrap language analysis now and drop all the silly -isms, I'm preaching to the choir.

Comment author: Amanojack 28 April 2011 02:56:40AM 1 point [-]

Ethics is unique, at least to me, in that I still have no idea what the heck people are even referring to most of the time when they use moralistic language. I can't investigate X until I know what X is even supposed to be about. Most of the time there is a fundamental failure to communicate, even regarding the definition of the field itself. And whenever there isn't such a failure, the problem disappears and all discussants agree as if nothing.

Comment author: lukeprog 27 April 2011 04:19:18PM 1 point [-]

Yes, I agree with all this.