FAWS comments on Bayesians vs. Barbarians - Less Wrong

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Comment author: FAWS 25 March 2011 08:33:16PM 2 points [-]

That's your third completely unconnected argument, and this one doesn't make Japan and return missions assuming viability of straw drawing rational either. Even if the pilots are rationally maximizing some combination of survival and military glory that doesn't mean Japan bombing and return missions with most of the load devoted to fuel are an efficient way to gain it. You could have all pilots volunteering to be part of the draw for one way missions and those who draw long being reassigned to Europe or whereever they can earn glory more fuel efficiently.

Comment author: Strange7 25 March 2011 09:01:16PM -2 points [-]

You're assuming that straw drawing is viable. I'm trying to show why it wasn't.

You seem to have a theory, based on that invalid assumption, about what will and will not work to motivate people to take risks. Does that theory make any useful predictions in this case?

Comment author: FAWS 25 March 2011 09:52:43PM 2 points [-]

You're assuming that straw drawing is viable. I'm trying to show why it wasn't.

Then you are wasting everyones time, we already know that it wasn't viable. It was suggested and rejected. The whole discussion was about a) what would be needed to make viable (e. g. sufficiently high rationality level and sufficiently strong precommitment) and b) whether it would be the rational thing to do given the requirements.

You seem to have a theory, based on that invalid assumption, about what will and will not work to motivate people to take risks. Does that theory make any useful predictions in this case?

No. I was taking your model of what will and will not work to motivate people to take risks and demonstrating that your conclusion did not follow from it.