Eliezer_Yudkowsky comments on Bayesians vs. Barbarians - Less Wrong

51 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 14 April 2009 11:45PM

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 15 April 2009 02:34:55PM 2 points [-]
Comment author: CronoDAS 16 April 2009 03:01:35AM 1 point [-]

Interestingly, Denmark used nonviolent resistance very effectively against the Nazis while being a nominal ally of Germany. (If they weren't distracted by fighting a war, it probably wouldn't have been nearly as effective, though - the Nazis simply couldn't spare the manpower to effectively impose martial law, although they did attempt to do so.)

Comment author: AnnaSalamon 16 April 2009 03:05:29AM 9 points [-]

It's an unfair example. Danes were fellow Aryans, and so were objects of empathy in a sense that folks in India wouldn't have been.

Comment author: CronoDAS 16 April 2009 10:11:55PM 1 point [-]

Agreed.

Comment author: dclayh 15 April 2009 06:13:29PM *  0 points [-]
Comment author: JulianMorrison 15 April 2009 11:01:38PM 2 points [-]

That story is so totally cheating. The evil empire the author uses is a toothless law-bound caricature. Face the gands with a less congenial interstellar empire, say the Mexica from "Wasteland of Flint", and they just die, by the very large numbers, and the Mexica enslave the preschool kids and re-colonize the planet. Game over, player two wins.

Comment author: StanR 16 April 2009 02:00:33AM -2 points [-]

dclayh, Yes, that came to mind for me too. The small-town Gandhian libertarianism of Russell's story is entertaining, and just as silly. Yet, you didn't receive any karma points, and Eliezer received several, so either someone out there thinks a fictional short story is a reasonable rebuttal, or people are scoring for support of a side or entertainment.

Eliezer, I don't see how Russell or Turtledove even belong as anything more than footnotes, unless the discussion is about fiction writers creating alternate universe just-so stories that tend to align with their ideologies. I didn't think Less Wrong, of all places, would be where I'd have to insist that short story fiction is not adequate or reasonable evidence, or any sort of rebuttal, against real world claims or case studies.

Please try actually reading Sharp. He's not Gandhi. Neither is Robert Helvey--he's actually a retired US colonel.