Tiiba comments on Harry Sue and The Methods of Rationality - Less Wrong

-5 Post author: Tiiba 29 April 2011 06:39AM

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Comment author: Tiiba 29 April 2011 08:23:37AM 2 points [-]

The infodumps are not what I'm talking about. I wouldn't believe it's Eliezer's writing if people weren't smugly going on about eigenvectors. My concern is that Harry is a complete asshole. And the unrealistic adults.

Comment author: major 29 April 2011 09:01:21AM 9 points [-]

Aside from Harry's parents, there was only one "unrealistic" adult so far (by Ch6), McGonagall, who assumed Harry might have been abused. Her tolerance is reasonable.

It's irrelevant, though. Harry is behaving strangely, and you assume it's bad writing. I guess, since you have read some fanfiction ("OOC is irritating to me"), you aquired a useful heuristic for filtering out bad fanfic; it's just that it is bound to give some false positives.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 29 April 2011 08:49:10AM 4 points [-]

In case you didn't notice due to lack of Potterverse familiarity, it was established back in chapter 5 that Professor McGonagall knows the prophecy.

Comment author: Tiiba 29 April 2011 08:55:40AM *  1 point [-]

I honestly have no idea how that has anything to do with what I'm saying.

And I read all the books, and watched the first six movies. I know what the prohesy is.

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 29 April 2011 09:48:00AM 13 points [-]

Okay. Professor McGonagall knows that Harry Potter is the one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord, that he is marked as the Dark Lord's equal, and that he will have power the Dark Lord knows not. (She has, in fact, heard that Prophecy spoken in the terrible hollow echoing voice of Sybill Trelawney.)

Harry isn't acting like a normal eleven-year-old, or any kind of eleven-year-old, and Professor McGonagall has noticed that as well, in as many words.

That's all. If you think, under those circumstances, that the boy ought to be given the back of your hand and told to shut up, you're welcome to write your own fanfiction where that's what Professor McGonagall does. The further consequences seem predictable enough. The thing is, in my story, Professor McGonagall can see that too.

Comment author: wedrifid 29 April 2011 12:56:39PM 0 points [-]

That's all. If you think, under those circumstances, that the boy ought to be given the back of your hand and told to shut up, you're welcome to write your own fanfiction where that's what Professor McGonagall does. The further consequences seem predictable enough. The thing is, in my story, Professor McGonagall can see that too.

It does sound like a request to make McGonagall behave in an obviously irrational manner. McGonagall would have to be seriously thick if she didn't adapt her interaction style when engaging with Harry.

Comment author: wedrifid 29 April 2011 01:47:24PM 8 points [-]

I honestly have no idea how that has anything to do with what I'm saying.

And I read all the books, and watched the first six movies. I know what the prohesy is.

You honestly can't see how knowing someone is the chosen one destined to save the world from the evil one and who quite possibly already stopped a war impacts on the likely behaviour of a character? Implied via that same knowledge is that Harry has the favour of McGonagall's immediate superior.

It should be overwhelmingly obvious to you how this information is relevant to what you are saying. Any judgement made without considering this context is absurdly ill-informed.

Comment author: falenas108 29 April 2011 09:34:21AM 0 points [-]

As in she knows they need him, so she's making an extra effort to make him like her, and by association, the wizarding world.

Comment author: wedrifid 29 April 2011 01:04:48PM 2 points [-]

My concern is that Harry is a complete asshole.

It's worse when he's trying to make Harry not a complete asshole. That just gets painful.

Comment author: Carinthium 29 April 2011 09:14:09AM 0 points [-]

Not counting the Minerva case (on which your view is obvious), what incidents do you consider to involve him being an arsehole?

Comment author: wedrifid 29 April 2011 01:40:39PM 1 point [-]

Not counting the Minerva case (on which your view is obvious), what incidents do you consider to involve him being an arsehole?

Good point. He hasn't actually been an asshole at that stage. He gets to it later on...