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27 Post author: Cayenne 01 May 2011 12:54AM

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Comment author: [deleted] 01 May 2011 06:09:21AM 3 points [-]

I'm asking myself "when is it better for the elephant to be in control, and not the rider?" But I can't think of an answer.

Comment author: Kaj_Sotala 02 May 2011 08:59:35AM 4 points [-]

I'm not entirely sure of how your question relates to this discussion, but to answer it in the general case... Assuming the elephant is well-trained, then it's usually better for it to be in control. For instance, you'll want to let your elephant handle moving your feet back and forth when walking, instead of needing to consciously think about each step. You want to let your elephant automatically interpret others' facial expressions, instead of having to figure out their meaning yourself, and so forth. Of course, if the elephant is badly trained and e.g. misreads others' expressions, then you should re-train it. But once you've done so, you'll want it to take over again.

The rider is conscious, directed attention which tires quickly. The elephant is automatic processes which run constantly and tire much more slowly. You should train your elephant to take care of as many things as possible, and conserve the rider's energy to only the cases where it's really needed.

Of course, the "should" is kinda redundant here, since you can't avoid doing this. Whenever you repeat some behavior long enough for it to become automatic, you're training the elephant to act in a certain way and then transferring control to it.

Comment author: [deleted] 02 May 2011 05:43:14PM 1 point [-]

That's an excellent general description of the elephant/rider relationship. I should've been more specific. In this instance, I meant "what does the elephant desire that the rider also desires, but does not know he desires?"

Mostly, I think I'm put off by what I consider to be an "excessive" amount of self-control (in this case, lukeprog training his face to express what he wants to express), but the more I think about it, the less I think there's much substance to my objection. In fact, my objection says more about my fear of losing the safe distance provided by selective social apathy.

I still have a nagging concern about subtle needs getting smothered by some forms of self-control, but I'm currently stuck on what or when or how.