Bongo comments on Ethics and rationality of suicide - Less Wrong

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Comment author: Bongo 02 May 2011 09:14:04AM 5 points [-]

I actually know someone who has narrowly avoided being killed more than once because of it.

I'd like to know more.

Comment author: AdeleneDawner 02 May 2011 09:28:32AM *  11 points [-]

She doesn't blog about the personal instances often, but a brief account of one is in the 7th paragraph here and another mention is in the 6th paragraph here. Searching her blog for the word murder brings up entries about the general phenomenon by medical caregivers and parents.

Comment author: wedrifid 02 May 2011 12:50:31PM *  4 points [-]

Those incidents are scary. Particularly the one involving blackmail (we'll keep doing the lethal thing unless you accede to our wishes elsewhere.)

How can you prevent that sort of thing without removing leeway and installing cameras in every room?

Comment author: AdeleneDawner 02 May 2011 12:58:08PM 12 points [-]

A'yup.

I've been thinking about this, in the context of having worked in a nursing home for four years. I came to two conclusions: One, her experiences don't actually surprise me all that much; two, it seems quite reasonable to me to estimate that there were probably between one and three murders or attempted murders (using a definition that includes intentional negligence but does not include legally-actionable accidents) per year in the 200-some-bed facility where I worked - and the place where I worked was not actually bad as nursing homes go.

Institutions suck in general, and it seems to me that there might be some low-hanging fruit to be picked in terms of figuring out what it is about them that tends to make peoples' moral systems break down. (And I'm speaking from experience there, too. :( )