Antisuji comments on Ethics and rationality of suicide - Less Wrong

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Comment author: wedrifid 02 May 2011 08:35:24AM 5 points [-]

just in order to spare other people the emotion of grief (which they are inevitably going to have to confront at some point anyway, at least until we conquer all death

It is the emotion of shame that others are spared. (As you note, the grief is going to come anyway.)

Comment author: Antisuji 03 May 2011 07:12:45PM 1 point [-]

Consider hyperbolic discounting: grief now is far worse than grief later.

Also, in addition to shame there is anger and a sense of betrayal. See Jonathan Franzen's recent essay in the New Yorker on, among other things, David Foster Wallace's suicide.

Comment author: Broggly 03 May 2011 08:22:58PM 1 point [-]

I don't know whether DFW is different to the people I know who attempted or commited suicide, or if I'm different to Franzen, but I didn't feel those sorts of emotions when a friend killed herself or my dad was in hospital on a pill overdose. I've got depression and have occasional suicidal urges, so maybe I assume they're like me and were just suffering from anhedonia and pessimism about their future enjoyment of life rather than anything to do with people they know. I feel bad that I didn't realise and couldn't have tried to help in some way, but more in that I would rather it not have happened rather than feeling ashamed and betrayed.