ciphergoth comments on Your Price for Joining - Less Wrong

44 Post author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 26 March 2009 07:16AM

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Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 26 March 2009 09:01:29AM 3 points [-]

So we want to encourage people to assemble more solid-sounding cases for not joining?

I think what we want to encourage is that "I haven't the time because I'm working on X" is acceptable; or better yet, silence. "Your website is the wrong font" is what we need to get away from.

Comment author: ciphergoth 26 March 2009 10:03:13AM *  6 points [-]

If I'm saying why I shouldn't join, either of "I haven't the time" or silence is fine. If I want to say why you shouldn't join, we should set the bar high, so that if I use joining as a cheap shot against you I look bad. "You joined a website with a stupid font" is what people fear, and so that might be what we need to act against.

Incidentally, what timezone are you in and when do you sleep? I'm always a bit surprised to get responses from you in the morning...

Comment author: hhadzimu 26 March 2009 06:44:58PM 5 points [-]

Eliezer Yudkowsky does not sleep. He waits.

Comment author: gwern 27 March 2009 03:02:44PM 0 points [-]

Mm. I don't like 'waits'; it sounds like he's wasting his time, and it doesn't have enough LW/OB injokes. Maybe 'He updates priors.'?

Comment author: Eliezer_Yudkowsky 26 March 2009 10:13:01AM 5 points [-]

It should be obvious from looking at the timestamps of my comments. I don't sleep.

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Comment author: MichaelVassar 26 March 2009 08:33:43PM 6 points [-]

That would be a serious offense, but it's a joke in Eliezer's case. A bad joke though, encouraging a serious problem. Loosing most of their productivity through inadequate sleep is a common nerdy error mode.

Comment author: pre 26 March 2009 08:38:29PM 2 points [-]

Innit. I quite like the sleep deprivation high, but it's not a good state for thinking straight. And I also love sleeping and dreaming.

Comment author: SoullessAutomaton 26 March 2009 10:44:57PM 1 point [-]

There's always polyphasic sleep schedules. Assuming those actually work, which is not at all well-established...

Comment author: gwern 27 March 2009 02:55:02PM 3 points [-]

FWIW, my own experiments with polyphasic sleep have convinced me that they do work, but at the price of a distressing fraction of one's brainpower & creativity.

Comment author: SoullessAutomaton 27 March 2009 04:50:46PM 4 points [-]

As I'm sure you're aware, a lot of anecdotal accounts of polyphasic sleep have suggested no loss of cognitive or creative function (after a 1-3 week adjustment period), but those are difficult to evaluate without an external metric; certain kinds of cognitive impairment can paradoxically make you feel you're thinking more clearly (c.f., "I drive better with a couple drinks in me").

I've been intrigued by the idea but have been held back by issues of work schedule, inability to spare two weeks for adjustment, and lack of a way to clearly measure how stupid it makes me.

Comment author: gwern 28 March 2009 03:08:42AM *  7 points [-]

As I'm sure you're aware, a lot of anecdotal accounts of polyphasic sleep have suggested no loss of cognitive or creative function (after a 1-3 week adjustment period), but those are difficult to evaluate without an external metric; certain kinds of cognitive impairment can paradoxically make you feel you're thinking more clearly (c.f., "I drive better with a couple drinks in me").

Oh yes, I was well aware of that. What I did was play 20 rounds of GBrainy a day and look at my scores. (Why GBrainy? Because I didn't have a few score of comparable IQ tests handy, and it was available in Ubuntu, and was reasonably fun to play.) I forget the exact stats, but it wasn't uncommon for my score to drop by 1/3 compared to when I was sleeping normally. What seemed to be most hard-hit was working memory, which really hurt on the mental arithmetic ones.

(The obvious criticism is that I didn't actually adjust, but I don't think there's any way to prove that either way.)

Comment author: AnneC 26 March 2009 06:14:46PM 2 points [-]

No one person is "in charge of the future of humanity". I know you were probably being somewhat flippant, but still.